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| 9760 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 0 | Page 1 | COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C. INTERVIEW OF: KATHRYN H. RUEMMLER Wednesday, July 15, 2026 Washington, D.C. The interview in the above matter was held in Room 2247, Rayburn House Office Building, commencing at 10:08 a.m. Present: Representatives Comer, Higgins, Biggs, Burlison, Lynch, Krishnamoorthi, Stansbury, Garcia, Crockett, Randall, Subramanyam, Ansari, Bell, Min, Walkinshaw, and Menefee. | ||
| 9761 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 1 | Page 2 | Appearances: For the COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM: DANIEL ASHWORTH, GENERAL COUNSEL , UNDERGRADUATE FELLOW HANNAH CATHEY, PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER MALLORY COGAR, CHIEF CLERK AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS JESSICA COLLINS, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR JACK EMMER, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS EMILY FEYERABEND, COUNSEL BILLY GRANT, DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS WILL HARNICE, PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER , UNDERGRADUATE FELLOW MARK MARIN, STAFF DIRECTOR LISA MORTIER, SENIOR… | ||
| 9762 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 2 | Page 3 | , MINORITY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR , MINORITY RESEARCH ASSISTANT , MINORITY RESEARCH ANALYST , MINORITY INTERN , MINORITY PRESS SECRETARY , MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL , MINORITY INTERN , MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL , MINORITY OPERATIONS SPECIALIST , MINORITY FELLOW , MINORITY DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL , MINORITY CLERK INTERN , MINORITY PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER , MINORITY FELLOW , MINORITY SENIOR ADVISOR , MINORITY LEGAL INTERN , MINORITY CHIEF COUNSEL | ||
| 9763 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 3 | Page 4 | For KATHRYN H. RUEMMLER: PAUL J. FISHMAN, ESQ. RACHEL F. COTTON, ESQ. Arnold & Porter 601 Massachusetts Ave NW Washington, D.C. 20001-3743 JONATHAN I. KRAVIS, ESQ. Liu Shur Kravis, LLP The Westory 607 14th Street NW, Suite 625 Washington, D.C. 20005 | ||
| 9764 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 4 | Page 5 | Mr. Grant. We will go on the record. It is 10:08 a.m. Good morning. This is a transcribed interview of Ms. Kathryn Ruemmler, conducted by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform under the authority granted to it pursuant to House rule X. Accordingly, House rule X grants the Committee broad jurisdiction for the Committee to conduct investigations of any matter at any time. This interview was requested by Chairman James Comer as part of the Committee's investigation into the circums… | ||
| 9765 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 5 | Page 6 | Mr. Kravis. Jonathan Kravis, Liu Shur Kravis. Mr. Grant. Thank you all. For the record, starting with majority staff, can the additional staff members please introduce themselves with their name, title, and affiliation? Ms. Tolan. Ellison Tolan, senior counsel, Chairman Comer. Mr. Emmer. Jack Emmer, chief counsel for investigations for Chairman Comer. Mr. Harnice. Will Harnice, professional staff member for Chairman Comer. Ms. Feyerabend. Emily Feyerabend, counsel for Chairman Comer. Ms. Cathey.… | ||
| 9766 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 6 | Page 7 | Mr. . , fellow, Ranking Member Garcia. Mr. . , legal intern, Ranking Member Garcia. Mr. . , staff director, Ranking Member Garcia. Ms. . , deputy communications director, Ranking Member Garcia. Mr. . senior advisor, Ranking Member Garcia. Mr. Spectre. Peter Spectre, director of oversight for Chairman Comer. Mr. Ashworth. Dan Ashworth, general counsel for Chairman Comer. Mr. Grant. Thank you all. Will the Members of Congress please identify themselves for the record? Chairman Comer. James Comer, … | ||
| 9767 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 7 | Page 8 | For the record to be clear, please wait until the staffer questioning you finishes each question before you begin your answer, and the staffer will wait until you finish your response before proceeding to the next question. Further, to ensure the court reporter can properly record this interview, please speak clearly, concisely, and slowly. Also, the court reporter cannot record nonverbal answers, such as nodding or shaking your head, so it is important that you answer each question with an audi… | ||
| 9768 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 8 | Page 9 | Do you understand? Ms. Ruemmler. Yes. Mr. Grant. If at any time you knowingly make false statements, you could be subject to criminal prosecution. Do you understand? Ms. Ruemmler. Yes. Mr. Grant. This includes both knowingly providing false testimony but also stating that you do not recall or remember something when, in fact, you do. Do you understand? Ms. Ruemmler. Yes. Mr. Grant. Furthermore, you cannot tell half-truths or exclude information necessary to make statements accurate. You are requ… | ||
| 9769 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 9 | Page 10 | you need a longer break or a break before that, please let us know, and we will be happy to accommodate. However, to the extent that there is a pending question, we would ask that you finish answering the question before we take the break. Do you understand? Ms. Ruemmler. Yes. Mr. Grant. Do you have any other questions before we begin? Ms. Ruemmler. I do not. Mr. Grant. We've had another Member of Congress join. Can he please identify himself for the record? Mr. Bell. Congressman Wesley Bell, Mi… | ||
| 9770 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 10 | Page 11 | If I knew then what I know now about who Epstein really was, I never would have accepted an initial meeting with him. It was a mistake to deal with him, and I regret it. But many people assume that, given everything we know now about Epstein, everyone who dealt with him before his 2019 indictment must have known everything then. In my case, that assumption is completely wrong. When Epstein cold-called me at my law firm in July of 2014, I had never heard of him and knew nothing about him. He told… | ||
| 9771 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 11 | Page 12 | me to believe. He expressed remorse, embarrassment, and regret for his conduct, which he described as paying money for sex to women he believed to be over the age of 18. Notwithstanding his conviction, by the time I met him he had active relationships with an extensive group of respected professionals in business, academia, politics, and the arts. And given the nature of my law practice, I routinely dealt with compromised or controversial people, including those facing criminal or other allegati… | ||
| 9772 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 12 | Page 13 | those prosecutors would have charged him with targeting minors for commercial sex if they had sufficient evidence to support such charges. My communication with Epstein ended in July 2019 after he was indicted for sex trafficking minors. I was shocked by the indictment, which alleged that Epstein had intentionally enticed and recruited minor girls to engage in sex acts with him in exchange for cash. Those horrific allegations, which covered conduct that had occurred almost 10 years before I met … | ||
| 9773 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 13 | Page 14 | BY MR. GRANT: Q Thank you for that opening statement. Of course, just to make sure that we have a thorough transcript of today's interview, some of these questions will, of course, elicit what you just brought up in your opening statement, so I want to apologize in advance for that. A Understood. Q I want to briefly begin with discussing your background. So where did you attend undergraduate school? A The University of Washington in Seattle. Q And what degree did you graduate with? A A Bachelor … | ||
| 9774 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 14 | Page 15 | white-collar criminal defense. From there, I went to the White House, where I worked as Associate Counsel to the President for President William Jefferson Clinton. From there, I worked briefly at a law firm in Washington, D.C., the law firm of Latham & Watkins. And I left Latham & Watkins when I had the opportunity to go and work in the U.S. Attorney's Office in D.C. as an assistant U.S. attorney. I worked in that office for a few years, and then I had the opportunity to go on detail to Main Jus… | ||
| 9775 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 15 | Page 16 | A Thank you. Q What were your primary responsibilities when you were the White House Counsel? A You know, there's a -- the very first White House Counsel was appointed by then-President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And he was asked -- this is -- I don't know if this is apocryphal, but this is the story. He was asked by a member of the media what this White House Counsel was going to do, and he said, "Legal stuff." And that, I think, is still a pretty apt description of the job. As White House Coun… | ||
| 9776 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 16 | Page 17 | BY MR. GRANT: Q Ms. Ruemmler, when did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein? A I met him in July of 2014 when he cold-called Latham & Watkins and asked to speak to me. Q And prior to that cold call, you had no other interactions? A None. Q No in-person meetings? A No. I had not -- I didn't know who he was prior to receiving the message that this person named Jeffrey Epstein had called and asked for me to return his call relating to a potential legal matter. Q And, at this time, were you aware of any o… | ||
| 9777 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 17 | Page 18 | A When I met with him the first meeting -- so he asked me in that first phone call if I would meet with him to discuss it further. And in that first meeting, to the best of my recollection, he mentioned a couple of people who we knew in common. Q And who were those people? A Larry Summers I recall him mentioning and Reid Weingarten, who was a prominent criminal defense attorney. Q And for the first phone call you mentioned -- the "cold call" I'll refer to it as -- was anyone else present on this… | ||
| 9778 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 18 | Page 19 | BY MR. GRANT: Q And between this cold call and the first meeting that you had with Mr. Epstein in person, what did you know about Mr. Epstein leading into that meeting? A I don't remember knowing anything about him. I had never -- I'd never heard of him before. And so, you know, walking into that meeting, I just don't have any specific recollection of knowing much about him at all. I remember, the first meeting, you know -- there were a number of things that were striking about that first meetin… | ||
| 9779 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 19 | Page 20 | you know, the meeting would start, and I was asked to walk up a set of stairs to his office. Q And do you recall who that secretary was at that time? A I believe it was Leslie Groff. Q What did you -- A But I certainly came to see her, you know, several times when I would have meetings at the townhouse. Q And -- A That was her office, was my understanding. Q Understood. And so you mentioned some of the impressions you got from this first meeting at Mr. Epstein's New York home. What were your fir… | ||
| 9780 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 20 | Page 21 | expertise. And so, given the size of the project as being described, it would've required a lot of different lawyers to be involved. And so those are -- those are the kinds of matters that law firms tend to really like. Q Understood. And what did you understand Mr. Epstein's job to be at this time? A I understood, you know, just generally, that he was someone who had a lot of financial expertise and acumen and had acted as an advisor to, you know, wealthy people and families. Q And obviously he … | ||
| 9781 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 21 | Page 22 | A It was the Edmond de Rothschild Bank. Q Switching gears a little bit -- Mr. Emmer. We've had another member join. Can he please announce himself for the record? Mr. Garcia. Sure. Ranking Member Robert Garcia. Mr. Emmer. We've also had additional staff members join. Can they please announce themselves for the record? Ms. . , comms director, Ranking Member Garcia. Mr. Emmer. Thank you all. BY MR. GRANT: Q Switching gears a little bit, can you just briefly describe the nature and extent of your r… | ||
| 9782 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 22 | Page 23 | A There were two matters -- there were two matters that he referred to me that I had a conflict at the law firm, so I was not able to do them. One was a matter that was -- it was a civil dispute for Apollo, the hedge fund. The second one relates to an individual, so I would, respectfully, prefer not to identify the individual's name, because that, I think, is probably confidential in the context of a, you know, potential representation. Mr. Emmer. We've had more members join. Can they please ann… | ||
| 9783 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 23 | Page 24 | trying to -- my impression was he was always trying to make stuff happen and sort of put people together and, you know, see if he could make deals happen and, you know, somehow figure out how to monetize that activity of putting businesspeople together. Q So would you say that your personal communications with Mr. Epstein -- were they daily? Weekly? Monthly? Depended on what you guys were working on? A I couldn't say. I mean, he communicated with me a lot. He emailed me a lot. And, you know, he … | ||
| 9784 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 24 | Page 25 | Q And can you estimate how many in-person meetings you would've had with Mr. Epstein? A I really can't. But, again, just knowing -- just knowing his general frequency of coming to New York -- like, let's say he came, you know, six times a year. If I happened to be in New York -- which I wasn't always -- and he asked me to come for a meeting, you know, I typically would do that. And so, you know, this is just a guess, but I'd say, you know, I maybe met with him in person, like, 20 times over the … | ||
| 9785 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 25 | Page 26 | Was your relationship ever romantic with Mr. Epstein? A Absolutely not. Q Did you ever have a sexual relationship with Mr. Epstein? A Absolutely not. Q If there wasn't a romantic relationship, why did you refer to Mr. Epstein in these terms? A Well, we can take them one by one, if you would like. Q Okay. A And there's -- Q So the first one I mentioned was "sweetie." A Yeah. So the context I remember -- there's an email in which I call him "sweetie." The context of that was that he sent me an ema… | ||
| 9786 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 26 | Page 27 | this. But my tone was, "sweetie," like I was patting him on the head. "Hey, sweetie, your conduct involved abuse of power too." So it was far from an indication of affection. It was me speaking to him and correcting him from trying to minimize his own prior criminal history against Mr. Weinstein's, and I said it in a way, over email, that was designed to make the medicine go down a little bit easier. Q Understood. Thank you for that. The next term I mentioned was "older brother." A Yes. So that … | ||
| 9787 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 27 | Page 28 | And the third term I mentioned to you was "Uncle Jeffrey." A Yes. So Mr. Epstein was -- as I said a few minutes ago, he was extremely arrogant. He was a mansplainer. He was pushy. He was avuncular. And as a joke and, frankly, to poke fun of those qualities -- you know, again, at this point in time -- you know, it's 10 years ago, 12 years ago -- I'm in my, you know, early 40s, I'm a relatively accomplished professional, okay? And he's constantly offering me all sorts of unsolicited advice, you kn… | ||
| 9788 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 28 | Page 29 | A The last time I communicated with him was when he called me after he was arrested. Q And what was the nature of that conversation? A Again, to the best of my -- to the best of my recollection, it was a very short conversation, probably less than a minute. And, to the best of my recollection, the only thing that he said was that he'd been arrested. And my response was, "You obviously need to call your lawyer." Q He didn't ask you for any legal advice at that time? A Not at that time. Mr. Emmer.… | ||
| 9789 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 29 | Page 30 | relationship with Ariane de Rothschild, and so I knew that she would want to know, like, what exactly was going on. And so the way to find out exactly what was going on is actually to be there in the courtroom. And so I went with a partner of mine from the law firm, and we sat in the back of the courtroom to watch the -- just, you know, to see the proceedings and to see exactly what the nature of the charges were. Q And who was that partner from the law firm? A Chris Clark. Q Clark, C-l-a-r-k? A… | ||
| 9790 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 30 | Page 31 | Q And why did you decline? A Well, I had no interest in being involved in that defense. Q And why is that? A At that time, I had now seen the indictment. The charges were -- the charges covered the timeframe 2002 to 2005, so a good, you know, decade-plus since I had met him. So it covered, you know, a period of time that I believed had been investigated thoroughly by the State and Federal prosecutors in Florida. And, again, my understanding is that the conclusion reached as a result of that inve… | ||
| 9791 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 31 | Page 32 | each of the massages, and that some of -- a small number of the masseuses or the women who were coming to his home were -- turned out to be under the age of 18, but that he did not have knowledge of that, and that the women, as he described to me, you know, many of them worked in local massage parlors in Florida. | ||
| 9792 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 32 | Page 33 | [11:08 a.m.] BY MR. GRANT: Q And did you believe his story? A I believed it, not because that's what he told me; I believed it because, based on my experience as a Federal prosecutor, I knew that the State -- the State Attorney's Office in Florida, and in particular the chief of the Sex Crimes Division there, had led the investigation of Epstein, and that the conclusion of that investigation was a single -- an indictment for a single count of solicitation of prostitution, and that, then, the Fed… | ||
| 9793 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 33 | Page 34 | sex or was he more -- was he like a customer or a “John” and this is a prostitution case where some of the individuals were underage but that he didn't know that? Okay? And, importantly, he provided me with this letter that was a lengthy -- a lengthy submission by an attorney named Stephanie Thacker, who I knew to be a sitting -- at the time I read the letter, I knew to be a sitting Federal Court of Appeals judge. And the importance to me about the letter, which I read at the time, was that it w… | ||
| 9794 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 34 | Page 35 | prosecutor is that they reached the conclusion that he wasn't, you know, some kind of threat to the community. And, again, that was also something that was consistent with someone who the evidence showed didn't intentionally target minors for sex. So it was just another factor, if you will, that, again, drawing on my experience, suggested to me that this case was a case in which he was a -- you know, he was a customer of -- a prostitution customer. Q Thank you. Mr. Emmer. We've had another membe… | ||
| 9795 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 35 | Page 36 | Q And roughly when was this? A Gosh, I don't remember. I don't remember what year that was. Q Were you aware of Ms. Maxwell's relationship with Mr. Epstein at this time? A I knew that he knew her, and I knew that she had been the subject of public allegations at the time. But I didn't know anything about, you know, what his relationship was with her. Q Did Mr. Epstein discuss those public allegations of Ms. Maxwell with you? A About Ms. Maxwell or about -- there were -- yes, insofar as they were… | ||
| 9796 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 36 | Page 37 | Q Meetings? A No. Q Were you aware that Mr. Epstein regularly entertained young women at his residences? A Entertained? No. Q When around Mr. Epstein, how did Mr. Epstein act towards the young women or girls that were around him? A I never saw any girls. I never saw any girls around him at all, if you -- by that you mean anyone under the age of 18. Q Any young women at all? Twenties? Low thirties? A Well, I wouldn't refer to women in their twenties as girls, so I'm just trying to be precise as t… | ||
| 9797 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 37 | Page 38 | Q Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein sexually abuse or assault young women or girls? A No. Q Did Mr. Epstein ever discuss sexual acts of any kind with you? A No. Mr. Fishman. Except for what she's already described. Ms. Ruemmler. Except for the historical conduct -- Mr. Grant. Understood. Ms. Ruemmler. -- that led to his guilty plea in Florida. Mr. Grant. Understood. BY MR. GRANT: Q Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein receive a massage from a young woman or girl? A No. Q Did you ever witness Mr. Epst… | ||
| 9798 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 38 | Page 39 | Q Have you ever been contacted by any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? A No. Q Have you ever been interviewed by any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? A No. Q Have you ever provided any information to any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? A No. Q Did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or represent to you that he was working with any intelligence service of any nation, including the United … | ||
| 9799 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 39 | Page 40 | Q You did not formally work for any of those agencies? A I did not, no. Mr. Grant. And we've had another Member of Congress join us. Could she please introduce herself for the record? Ms. Ansari. Yassamin Ansari, Arizona's Third District. Mr. Grant. Thank you. And that will conclude our first hour. [Recess.] Mr. . Let's go back on the record. Ms. Crockett. And for purposes of the record, Representative Jasmine Crockett, Texas 30, is present. Mr. . Mr. Lynch, could you please introduce yourself f… | ||
| 9800 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 40 | Page 41 | charges were? A I do. In general, it was conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking. I believe it was two counts. One was a conspiracy count, and the second one was, you know, what we would call a substantive count of sex trafficking. And in particular, the indictment alleged that Epstein had enticed and recruited minors, minor girls, for sex in exchange for cash. Q Do you recall what he used to entice or recruit those minors? A Well, not specifically. I don't remember that the indictment was speci… | ||
| 9801 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 41 | Page 42 | A Yes. I said, "Best massage ever but not your kind of massage." Q And he replied, "Shame." A Yes. Q By February 2016, were you aware that Mr. Epstein had used massage appointments to entrap the girls and women he victimized? A What I understood -- you know, as I stated this morning, I certainly knew that he had pled guilty to two prostitution-related offenses and that those -- that those involved -- that conduct involved sexualized massages. What I understood about the nature and scope of that … | ||
| 9802 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 42 | Page 43 | extraordinarily poor taste, but it was a joke about his prior criminal history. BY MR. : Q So when you wrote "Best massage ever, but not your kind of massage," you were referring to how he used massage to entice his victims? A No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Again, as we discussed at length this morning, I understood that the conduct that Mr. Epstein had engaged in, as stated by Ms. Thacker in the letter to the deputy attorney general, was that Mr. Epstein was in essence a customer or a “… | ||
| 9803 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 43 | Page 44 | you know, nice day at the spa, essentially. Q "A day of joy." A A day -- and so then after I go to the spa -- so it's the following day. I had gone on a Saturday. I believe I went on a Saturday morning. And so I wrote back and said, you know, "Best massage ever," meaning I had a very nice massage at the spa. And I said "but not your kind of a massage." Yes. That was a joke to him about the fact that he had engaged in the crime of prostitution where the act, again, as I understood it, was that he… | ||
| 9804 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 44 | Page 45 | Q -- at least on one occasion. Is that right? A Under the law, a minor -- under State law, a minor cannot consent to prostitution. Yes. I agree with you entirely. Q You mentioned this letter from a lawyer, Thacker, that you refer to a lot. A Yes. Q We will talk about that later. But that letter references massage, I don't know, 18 times. It recounts allegation after allegation of how Mr. Epstein used massage to entice victims. A Yes. Q So that's more than just Jeffrey Epstein paying for sex one … | ||
| 9805 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 45 | Page 46 | That is what this is. Q You knew he was a registered sex offender at that time, right? A Yes. Q So why were you accepting gifts of massages from a registered sex offender whose offenses including getting massages? A I can't even follow the logic of your question. Mr. . What part don't you understand? Ms. Ruemmler. I don't understand -- I don't understand the question. Mr. . Do you want to repeat the question? Mr. . Let me ask it differently. BY MR. : Q Did you ever think of his underage victims … | ||
| 9806 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 46 | Page 47 | was marked for identification.] BY MR. : Q Let's introduce as minority exhibit B an email exchange between you and Mr. Epstein from September 19th, 2014. In it, Mr. Epstein wrote, quote, "girls?, careful, I will renew an old habit." Page 4. A Yes. I see it. Q We've already established that you were aware of the allegation against Mr. Epstein because you had read the Thacker letter at this point. Did you consider whether Mr. Epstein was referring to his past sex crimes involving young girls when … | ||
| 9807 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 47 | Page 48 | Q Got it. [Ruemmler Minority Exhibit C was marked for identification.] BY MR. : Q All right. Let's move on to minority exhibit C. This is Bates number EFTA02510803. This is a March 4th, 2015, email exchange. And the portion I'd like to talk about is on page 1. Mr. Fishman. Can you give us a minute? Takes us a while to get it down the table. Mr. . Do you see where you wrote to him, "Darling, I am not one of your young things"? Ms. Ruemmler. Yes, I do. Mr. . What were you referring to? Mr. Fishman… | ||
| 9808 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 48 | Page 49 | Q So there was his girlfriend, but you said "your young things." So -- A Well, he also had -- Q -- who are you referring to? A He also had staff, you know, several women in their, you know, late 20s, early 30s, who were on his staff who traveled with him. And so I'm basically saying, don't -- again, Don't mansplain me. I'm cranky. Again, he's asking for something. He wants me to call him or something. And I've just landed in China -- Q What do you remember -- A -- where I probably didn't want to… | ||
| 9809 | Kathryn Ruemmler — House Oversight Committee 15 | 49 | Page 50 | to trade one of your Russians for my comp?", end quote. What did you mean by, quote, "one of your Russians"? A I think I'm looking at a different email exchange. Ms. Cotton. Yeah. I think you skipped some lines or we have the wrong version. Ms. Ruemmler. We have a different version of the email. Mr. . Let's go off the record for a second. [Discussion off the record.] Mr. . Let's go back on the record. What did you mean by, quote, "one of your Russians"? Mr. Fishman. Again, do you mind if she rea… |