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Q And can you estimate how many in-person meetings you would've had with Mr. Epstein? A I really can't. But, again, just knowing -- just knowing his general frequency of coming to New York -- like, let's say he came, you know, six times a year. If I happened to be in New York -- which I wasn't always -- and he asked me to come for a meeting, you know, I typically would do that. And so, you know, this is just a guess, but I'd say, you know, I maybe met with him in person, like, 20 times over the 5 years. Q During your relationship with Mr. Epstein, was there any point in time where you communicated more frequently? A I think that I communicated -- I haven't done an analysis of that, so -- but certainly during the first couple of years that I knew him, when I was actively working on the Rothschild representation -- and, again, you know, he was primary advisor. So he was sort of, if you think about -- he was sort of the primary relationship conduit, and I was sort of the secondary, if you will. And over time I developed an independent relationship with the bank and the client, but, you know, he was always there. In the later years, he would -- in the later years, my recollection is that I became less responsive because he became pushier and I had an independent relationship with the Rothschild client at that point and I was really busy doing a lot of other legal work. Q At any point during your association with Mr. Epstein, would you consider him to be a friend? A I considered him to -- I was friendly with him, but I considered my relationship with him to be based on the fact that I was a lawyer in private practice. And if I hadn't been a lawyer in private practice, I would've had no reason to deal with him and he would've had no reason to deal with me. Q And you've referred -- in emails released by the Department of Justice, you've referred to Mr. Epstein as "sweetie," "older brother," "Uncle Jeffrey."