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room in the future, I will not be in that room"? Was it at that level? Or was that an embellishment or sort of extra language there? A Remember, it's a podcast 20 years later that I'm trying to make a point that I -- and I didn't, by the way. I avoided having a personal and professional relationship with him. I avoided him. So I think it was right. I think the point of the podcast is right. What I said was right. I avoided him. And I never put myself in a situation with him ever again personally, me, as a man. He had no boundaries. I avoided him. Q Yeah. So the question of what the interactions were later in the future, after the tour, we'll walk through those. You've done some of that. I was just trying to get a really clear sense of what you recall the decision being on the day of the tour. It sounds like -- but, please, you tell me -- was it -- it's not that it was a literal decision to never be in the same physical room as him, because that's what the words say, but I think -- are you saying that that is not literally accurate? A It was a podcast, and as I said in the next words, "That's my story." So it was a podcast. I was describing 20 years later a conversation I had with my wife. It was informal. It wasn't trying to be literal. It was trying to tell a story and be descriptive, which I thought was an accurate description, which was that I would avoid establishing a professional and personal relationship with him. I would avoid him. And I did. So it says, "I will never." I wasn't -- I wouldn't say it was literal, meaning I was. He did tell me something in the foyer while I had my dog. But the point of it I think was accurate, actually, and literally the way I live, which was that I did not establish a personal or professional relationship with him. I avoided him. And I saw him two other times in his whole -- in my whole life, two other times. That's it. Q So the next part says, quote, "So I was never in the room with him socially, for business,