{"database": "deposition_transcripts", "table": "segments", "rows": [[8925, 8, 46, "Page 47", null, null, "room in the future, I will not be in that room\"? Was it at that level? Or was that an embellishment or sort of extra language there? A Remember, it's a podcast 20 years later that I'm trying to make a point that I -- and I didn't, by the way. I avoided having a personal and professional relationship with him. I avoided him. So I think it was right. I think the point of the podcast is right. What I said was right. I avoided him. And I never put myself in a situation with him ever again personally, me, as a man. He had no boundaries. I avoided him. Q Yeah. So the question of what the interactions were later in the future, after the tour, we'll walk through those. You've done some of that. I was just trying to get a really clear sense of what you recall the decision being on the day of the tour. It sounds like -- but, please, you tell me -- was it -- it's not that it was a literal decision to never be in the same physical room as him, because that's what the words say, but I think -- are you saying that that is not literally accurate? A It was a podcast, and as I said in the next words, \"That's my story.\" So it was a podcast. I was describing 20 years later a conversation I had with my wife. It was informal. It wasn't trying to be literal. It was trying to tell a story and be descriptive, which I thought was an accurate description, which was that I would avoid establishing a professional and personal relationship with him. I would avoid him. And I did. So it says, \"I will never.\" I wasn't -- I wouldn't say it was literal, meaning I was. He did tell me something in the foyer while I had my dog. But the point of it I think was accurate, actually, and literally the way I live, which was that I did not establish a personal or professional relationship with him. I avoided him. And I saw him two other times in his whole -- in my whole life, two other times. That's it. Q So the next part says, quote, \"So I was never in the room with him socially, for business,"]], "columns": ["id", "deposition_id", "segment_index", "speaker", "start_seconds", "end_seconds", "text"], "primary_keys": ["id"], "primary_key_values": ["8925"], "units": {}, "query_ms": 1.1445805430412292, "source": "Epstein Files Transparency Act (Public Law 119-38) DOJ Production", "source_url": "https://www.justice.gov/epstein", "license": "CC BY-NC-SA 4.0", "license_url": "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/"}