From: "Jeffrey E." <[email protected]> To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Josephson's confusion - the hard problem is a physics problem not a problem in biology. Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 10:04:04 +0000 its clear that for hundreds of years. many great minds have failed at even a basic understanding of the issue. so far- no theory supported by repeatable experiment. and evidence. - so- most of the thought on this are just that. thoughts _ great discoveries often were pulled , enabled encouraged by the tech of the time. . electric, microscopes. , telescopes. I am confident that the INtemet as a tech tool . MUST be part of the inquiry, the newest of tools. - otherwise its just some thinkers, most not as good as plato or aristotle. still doing the exact same thing. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Deepak Chopra > wrote: Body/Mind/ Universe are all symbols for experience and the knowing of experience in awareness . Pure awareness is non symbolic D ak h > ra Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing On Aug 8, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Brian Josephson wrote: On 8 Aug 2016, at 04:41, Stanley A. KLEIN wrote: Could Jack or Brian clarify what is the problem that you think you have solved. I presume it isn't anything measurable since I haven't heard what measurement needed a different solution than what standard methods give. It depends what you mean by measurement. It is a well-established fact, I suggest, that experienced mathematicians regularly come up with solutions to difficult problems, even if we don't measure this in the way that we measure physical things. I don't accept Penrose's view that the brain can't do this because of limitations what algorithms can do, since physical processes are not necessarily reducible to an explicit algorithm, but on the grounds that learning from experience doesn't seem adequate as an explanation, higher maths being way beyond ordinary experience. You could argue instead (cf