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| 9221 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 0 | Page 1 | COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C. INTERVIEW OF: LESLIE GROFF Tuesday, June 9, 2026 Washington, D.C. The interview in the above matter was held in Room 2247, Rayburn House Office Building, commencing at 10:00 a.m. Present: Representatives Comer, Higgins, Biggs, Perry, Timmons, Boebert, Lynch, Krishnamoorthi, Khanna, Stansbury, Garcia, Randall, Subramanyam, Ansari, Bell, Tlaib, and Walkinshaw. | ||
| 9222 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 1 | Page 2 | Appearances: For the COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM: DANIEL ASHWORTH, GENERAL COUNSEL BRITTANY BRIGNAC, SENIOR COUNSEL HANNAH CATHEY, PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER JESSICA COLLINS, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR JACK EMMER, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS EMILY FEYERABEND, COUNSEL RYAN GIACHETTI, CHIEF COUNSEL BILLY GRANT, DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS WILL HARNICE, PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER FREDERICK HILL, SENIOR ADVISOR MARK MARIN, STAFF DIRECTOR PETER SPECTRE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FO… | ||
| 9223 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 2 | Page 3 | , MINORITY RESEARCH ASSISTANT , MINORITY RESEARCH ANALYST , MINORITY INTERN , MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL , MINORITY PRESS SECRETARY , MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL MINORITY FELLOW , MINORITY SENIOR ADVISOR , MINORITY LEGAL INTERN , MINORITY CHIEF COUNSEL For LESLEY GROFF: MICHAEL BACHNER Bachner & Associates, P.C. 111 Broadway, Suite 701 New York, NY 10006 JONATHAN P. WHITCOMB Diserio Martin 1010 Washington Blvd., Suite 800 Stamford, CT 06901 | ||
| 9224 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 3 | Page 4 | ALSO PRESENT: MARGARET KIBBEN, CHAPLAIN, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DANIEL GROFF PETER HULL ASHLEY TAYLOR-HULL | ||
| 9225 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 4 | Page 5 | Ms. Tolan. We'll go on the record. This is a transcribed interview of Ms. Lesley Groff conducted by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform under the authority granted to it pursuant to House rule X. Accordingly, House rule X grants the committee broad jurisdiction for the committee to conduct investigations of any matter at any time. This interview was requested by Chairman James Comer as part of the committee's investigation into the circumstances and subsequent investigations i… | ||
| 9226 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 5 | Page 6 | Chairman Comer. James Comer, Chairman, Kentucky. Ms. Tolan. Now, for the record, starting with the majority staff, can the additional staff members please introduce themselves with their name, title, and affiliation. Ms. Brignac. Brittany Brignac, senior counsel for Chairman Comer. Mr. Emmer. Jack Emmer, chief counsel for investigations for Chairman Comer. Mr. Ashworth. Daniel Ashworth, general counsel for Chairman Comer. Ms. Feyerabend. Emily Feyerabend, counsel for Chairman Comer. Mr. Grant. B… | ||
| 9227 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 6 | Page 7 | Ms. . , senior counsel, Ranking Member Garcia. Ms. Tolan. And we have another Member who has joined us; if they would introduce themselves for the record. Mr. Higgins. Clay Higgins, Louisiana. Ms. Tolan. Thank you. Ms. Groff, before we begin, I would like to go over the ground rules for this interview. The questioning will proceed in rounds. The majority will ask questions for up to an hour, and then the minority will have an opportunity to ask questions for up to an hour, if they choose. To the… | ||
| 9228 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 7 | Page 8 | numerically. Minority exhibits will be identified alphabetically. We want you to answer our questions in the most complete and truthful manner possible. So we will take our time. If you have any questions or do not fully understand the question, please let us know. We will attempt to clarify, add context to, or rephrase our questions. If we ask about specific conversations or events in the past and you are unable to recall the exact words or details, you should testify to the substance of those … | ||
| 9229 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 8 | Page 9 | truthful. A deliberate failure to disclose information can constitute a false statement. Do you understand? Ms. Groff. I do. Ms. Tolan. Is there any reason you are unable to provide truthful testimony in today's interview? Ms. Groff. No. Ms. Tolan. Please note that, if you wish to assert a privilege over any statement today, that assertion must comply with the rules of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Pursuant to that, Committee rule 16(c)(1) states, for the chair to consider as… | ||
| 9230 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 9 | Page 10 | Mr. Subramanyam. Suhas Subramanyam, Virginia 10th. Mr. Garcia. Robert Garcia, ranking member, Democrats. Mr. Emmer. We have also had additional staff members join. Can they please identify themselves for the record? Ms. . , communications director, Ranking Member Garcia. Mr. Krishnamoorthi. Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi from Illinois. Mr. Timmons. Congressman William Timmons, South Carolina. Ms. Randall. Congresswoman Emily Randall from Washington State. Mr. Emmer. We understand that Ms. Groff… | ||
| 9231 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 10 | Page 11 | could be further from the truth. Since Mr. Epstein's arrest in 2019, I struggle with sleep. I can't eat. Many of my friends and acquaintances have shunned me. For the last 7 years, my now 21-year-old son's life has been in turmoil, and I have been the target of harassment and death threats. I have chosen to speak with you to tell you the truth as I know it. My recollection of many things is generally poor since they occurred as far back as 25 years ago. I will try my very best, and I thank you f… | ||
| 9232 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 11 | Page 12 | Knicks. Unfortunately, I missed the interview because of a snowstorm in Manhattan. That same day, the headhunter asked if I was interested in working for a wealthy businessman as an administrative assistant to keep his very busy life organized. That same day, I interviewed at the Helmsley Palace with Ghislaine Maxwell and then with Mr. Epstein. They explained to me that I would be with Mr. Epstein's executive assistant -- excuse me -- secretary organizing his calendar, making appointments, and d… | ||
| 9233 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 12 | Page 13 | Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell established guardrails. They made it very clear to me that I was a replaceable employee. Maxwell and Epstein told me that I was never to associate with their friends or contacts, or I would be fired. The people I spoke with in my job were their friends and colleagues -- not mine. Their business was none of my business -- and not to forget it. If I messed up an appointment, I could be fired. Frequently, Mr. Epstein yelled at me to the point of tears. When I made an err… | ||
| 9234 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 13 | Page 14 | without seeing them -- without me seeing them. In 2009, the offices moved to 66th Street, then to 575 Lexington Avenue, and then, around 2013, to his mansion on 71st Street. Not once did I see or hear anything illegal. Every morning Mr. Epstein called me at 9 a.m. with literally dozens of matters for me to complete that day. I had no free time. I went from task to task. I had two phones on my desk ringing constantly. Almost daily, I made massage appointments for Mr. Epstein. He provided me the n… | ||
| 9235 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 14 | Page 15 | Finally, I wish to address why I did not leave Epstein's employ. After his arrest in 2008, my experience in that regard was similar to Ms. Kellen's and others. Like Sarah, it was not until sometime after Mr. Epstein's conviction that I learned the government and Mr. Epstein's lawyers had included me and others in the nonprosecution agreement as potential conspirators. I am not a conspirator, and I never would have agreed to this language. Their unilateral decision to label me as a potential cons… | ||
| 9236 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 15 | Page 16 | Ms. Stansbury. Hi. I'm Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico's First Congressional District. Ms. Tolan. The time reads 10:20, and the majority's time will begin now. EXAMINATION BY MS. TOLAN: Q Thank you for appearing here today. We appreciate your assistance in this investigation. I'm going to go through a few background questions. Some might be repetitive from your opening statement, just so the record is clear. Where were you born? A Dallas, Texas. Q And what year were you born? A 1966. Q And can you… | ||
| 9237 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 16 | Page 17 | company. It was a commercial office supply company. I was just a customer service rep. And then, after that, I worked for Nordstrom's. I sold men's clothing. And then, after that, I got the job with Mr. Epstein. Q And what year was that? A That was 2001. Q And when did your employment with Mr. Epstein end? A 2019. Q And were you working the same position that entire time? A Yes. Q Executive secretary. Is that correct? A Executive secretary. Q And were there any breaks in your employment, or was … | ||
| 9238 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 17 | Page 18 | Q And this was also in 2001; do you recall the month or the date on that? A I believe it was February, I believe. Q February 2001? A Uh-huh. Mr. Emmer. We've had another Member join. Can he please announce himself for the record? Mr. Biggs. Andy Biggs, Arizona-5. Ms. Brignac. Ms. Groff, who was ? Ms. Groff. Ms. Maxwell's assistant at the time. BY MS. TOLAN: Q And where did this interview take place again? A At 457 Madison Avenue. It was the Helmsley Palace. Q And how did you receive the opportun… | ||
| 9239 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 18 | Page 19 | like during the interview? A He was very businesslike, very -- I mean, just businesslike, professional. Q And what did he ask you during the interview? A Where I had worked before. So I let him know about the office supply company and Nordstrom's because those were my most recent jobs. He asked me if I, you know, was able to use a computer, if I've worked on a computer before, and, you know, could I type, you know, things along those lines. Q Do you recall any other discussions you may have had … | ||
| 9240 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 19 | Page 20 | correct? A Correct. Q And did he offer you employment? A I'm not sure if it was him or Ms. Maxwell who may have called. It was probably Ms. Maxwell. That seems to make more sense. Ms. Brignac. Was leaving the office? Ms. Groff. She -- she was not -- she left about a year later after I started. Is that what you -- Ms. Brignac. Yes. Thank you. BY MS. TOLAN: Q And you stated that your initial offer included a $50,000 salary. Is that correct? A That's correct. Q Were there any other benefits tied to… | ||
| 9241 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 20 | Page 21 | told at the beginning? Ms. Groff. Yes, I was told at the beginning. I'm sure it was and -- all of them probably. Everybody took a hand in helping me. You know, there was a lot to learn. It was, you know, very fast-paced, two phones on my desk. It was overwhelming. Ms. Brignac. Did you find anything about the massage scheduling to be odd when you first started? Ms. Groff. Absolutely not. It was just like another appointment. It was like going to the gym. It was -- it was very normal. Mr. Timmons.… | ||
| 9242 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 21 | Page 22 | busy, standoffish, you know. We didn't have conversations. It was just about business and what he wanted accomplished that day. It was not a friendly -- Q Did you immediately understand him to be a wealthy individual? A Oh, yes. Q Did you know how he acquired his money? A I didn't know how. I was -- believed that he was a money manager. Q How did you come to learn that? A I think it was just talked about in the office with all the other administrative staff. Ms. Brignac. So, when you accepted th… | ||
| 9243 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 22 | Page 23 | A The businesspeople? Q Yes. A I wouldn't say frequent. Every so often. Q And did you ever conduct any work for any of those individuals? A No. Q We're going to go into more specifics later, but for now just some general questions. Can you briefly describe the extent of your relationship with Mr. Epstein? A Sure. I would say the relationship is hardly a relationship. It was very, very business, professional. I was not close to him whatsoever, and I do believe that's exactly the way he wanted it.… | ||
| 9244 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 23 | Page 24 | Q You likely worked in assisting to recruit other assistants and employees for Epstein. Did you use this firm? A I -- I actually did not. That was not under my heading. I never contacted any headhunter firms or was in charge of recruiting. I do recall interviewing some -- some women when he wanted -- I was actually thinking he wanted to replace me. But perhaps it was, you know, he just wanted another executive assistant. But that was one time. But I don't know where exactly -- what firm that cam… | ||
| 9245 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 24 | Page 25 | everybody in the office felt the same way. He was very good at manipulating, very good liar. Now we can all see that. And, at the time, I actually felt sorry for him. I thought, wow, this must be really difficult to be a wealthy person and not know who you can trust because everybody just wants your money. So -- Q Did you ever doubt what he told you or ever think the allegations were true? A No, I did not. Mr. Timmons. He was arrested on July 6th of 2019. Did you resign before or after? Ms. Grof… | ||
| 9246 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 25 | Page 26 | Q Did Mr. Epstein ever meet any of your family members? A He briefly met my husband when we were at a Mick Jagger concert, but it was literally one second. He said "hello," and that was it. Q Anyone else? A No. Q When was the last time you communicated with Mr. Epstein? A It was probably sometime in July or -- of 2019. Q Do you remember the nature of those communications? A No. Q And when was the last time you saw him in person? A I don't recall exactly. It was maybe in June of 2019, but I don't… | ||
| 9247 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 26 | Page 27 | Mr. Higgins. Okay. Ms. Groff. I don't -- I don't know. It was so long ago. Was there caller ID? Mr. Higgins. Did you have any way of knowing when you called these ladies that you believed to be massage therapists, did you have any way of knowing that you were calling a massage company or business, or was it always a personal phone? Can you shed some light on that? Ms. Groff. I believe it was cell phones. Mr. Higgins. It was cell phones? Ms. Groff. Uh-huh. Mr. Higgins. So did the massage therapis… | ||
| 9248 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 27 | Page 28 | Mr. Higgins. So was that a time schedule that you scheduled? Like, the window that they were going to be with Mr. Epstein -- Ms. Groff. Uh-huh. Mr. Higgins. -- or whomever, was it -- was there a window that you scheduled? Ms. Groff. Was it a window I scheduled? It was -- I don't know that I ever gave an exact, you know, time. But I knew that, if I was scheduling something else for him, say, someone was coming at 2:00 for a massage, and then I knew his next appointment was 2:30. Does that make se… | ||
| 9249 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 28 | Page 29 | Ms. Groff. It changed throughout, you know, the time. Sometimes it would be the same one, and then other times -- it was always directed by Mr. Epstein. Mr. Biggs. That's what I wanted to ask you. Where did you get the name and number? He provided those to you? Ms. Groff. That is correct. Yes. Mr. Biggs. And was this -- this was a daily occurrence? Ms. Groff. It could be. I'm sure there were days that there was no massage. Mr. Biggs. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Emmer. Just as a fol… | ||
| 9250 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 29 | Page 30 | A It was mostly his home in New York City. That's, you know, where I -- I would schedule. Q And did you ever schedule for his -- massages for his Palm Beach residence? A It's possible. Q Any of his other residences? A It's possible. Q And you've already touched on this a little bit, but how would you know who to schedule? A Mr. Epstein would direct me on who to call. BY MS. BRIGNAC: Q How? A Oh, he would call me. And, when he gave me his 20 pages worth of notes to schedule for the day, that woul… | ||
| 9251 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 30 | Page 31 | BY MS. TOLAN: Q And then you would directly reach out to these women. Is that correct? A Correct, yes. Q Or sometimes they would reach out to you, I think you mentioned earlier? A That's correct. Q How frequently would they reach out to you? A How frequently? If he was in -- Mr. Bachner. Keep your voice up. Ms. Groff. Keep my voice up? I would say it happened, you know -- if he was in town and a masseuse knew, they might call, you know, once a week, twice a week to see if he would see them. Mr. … | ||
| 9252 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 31 | Page 32 | from Ukraine, and she's very beautiful; here are some photos; we think that Jeffrey would like her," and then she would send that email to you. And you would then take that email to Mr. Epstein and say, "This person sent this," and you would say, "Do you want to meet this person?" That's normal? Ms. Groff. That's correct. He had -- he was involved with a lot of the modeling agencies, and he was just a connector. Mr. Timmons. Okay. In retrospect, the other seven or eight people that he referred t… | ||
| 9253 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 32 | Page 33 | Ms. Brignac. Ms. Groff, you answered a question about massages with the fact that he was well-connected to modeling agencies. Did he ever use models as masseuses? Ms. Groff. I don't know. Ms. Tolan. And can you estimate how many different masseuses Jeffrey Epstein used? Ms. Groff. I don't know. Mr. Biggs. Would you say it was more than a dozen different masseuses? Ms. Groff. I would say it was more than a dozen. Mr. Biggs. More than 20? Ms. Groff. Twenty, 30, over a time period. Mr. Biggs. What … | ||
| 9254 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 33 | Page 34 | A No. Ms. Tolan. The committee's reviewed multiple documents related to Jeffrey Epstein, including his phone directories. I will now introduce as majority exhibit 1. [Groff Majority Exhibit No. 1. was marked for identification.] Ms. Tolan. These are excerpts of Mr. Epstein's phone directories that the committee received from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. These excerpts are labeled as massage lists with names or redacted names of individuals, cell phone numbers, and a description next to the nam… | ||
| 9255 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 34 | Page 35 | Q Do you know how she created the list? A I do not. I think over time. Q And is this -- to the best of your recollection, is this what the list looked like when you began working for Mr. Epstein? A Yes. Q Did you add to, change, or remove any names from any of these lists? A I'm sure I added to the list. I don't think we ever took things out, but we added. Ms. Brignac. What would warrant adding someone to this black book? Ms. Groff. Anyone he met. If I was directed to put a phone number -- a nam… | ||
| 9256 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 35 | Page 36 | to change or access these lists. Is that correct? A Correct. Q Who were you referring to there? A It would be Ms. Maxwell, , . We had receptionists at the time, you know, a couple of different ones. , who was Darren Indyke's assistant, could add and subtract. Anybody who had access to the computer system should be able to add and subtract. | ||
| 9257 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 36 | Page 37 | [11:00 a.m.] BY MS. TOLAN: Q And Mr. Epstein, you said, would tell you names and numbers of who to call. Were there ever times when you would -- if he just said he wanted a massage, would you ever choose who to schedule? A No. Q And on the first page of this list, which is House Oversight Bates 400, there is a list of massage names specific to New York. A Uh-huh. Q And on the back of the page there is a list of names also specific to New York. These are labeled (a) and (b). Do you know why there… | ||
| 9258 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 37 | Page 38 | Q And did you schedule from the Florida list specifically at any point? A It's possible that I scheduled for Florida, but I don't recall anything offhand. Nothing stands out. Q Same questions here. There is also a list, "Massage - New Mexico." Do you know who created that list? A I don't. I would think it would be Ms. Maxwell. Q And did you also use this list to schedule massages for Mr. Epstein in New Mexico? A It's possible. He didn't go there very often, but it's possible. Q Was there a list … | ||
| 9259 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 38 | Page 39 | Ms. Groff. Oh, no, no, no. BY MS. TOLAN: Q And then same questions. There also appears to be a list specific to California. Did you use this list to schedule massages for Mr. Epstein in California? A I don't recall. Q Do you know why he had a list specific to California? A I do not. Q Did he ever maintain a residence in California? A Not that I'm aware of. Q And did he travel there often? A Not often. Q And then there does not appear to be one in this directory, but do you know of there being a … | ||
| 9260 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 39 | Page 40 | Q Did you not find it odd that some of the masseuses were friends of other masseuses and not coworkers? A I did not. I guess I did not. I didn't think about it. Q In 20 years, you never asked: Why are we booking masseuses' friends to come give massages as well? Mr. Bachner. I don't -- respectfully -- I don't think you laid the foundation that she saw friends there. I think she said she used something in the other computer system. Mr. Whitcomb. Or that massages were happening for 20 years. Same o… | ||
| 9261 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 40 | Page 41 | Ms. Tolan. Her recollection, if you know. Ms. Groff. Oh, I don't -- yeah, I don't -- I don't remember. BY MS. TOLAN: Q And do you know if any of that information was ever deleted during the first investigation into Mr. Epstein? A I do not. Q And do you know if it was deleted at any point? A I do not. Q Was this information ever switched to a different database? A We did switch over to Mac computers. Q Ms. Groff, I'm going to read you a list of names. For each name, please answer "yes" or "no" to… | ||
| 9262 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 41 | Page 42 | Q Jes Staley? A No. Q George Mitchell? A No. Q Henry Jarecki? A No. Q Eduardo Teodorani? A No. Q Leon Black? A No. Q Glenn Dubin? A No. Q Lapo Elkann? A I don't even know who that is. No. Q Tom Pritzker. A No. Q David Mitchell? A No. Q Did you ever schedule massages of any kind for any of these individuals? A No. Q Do you recall scheduling meetings of any kind for any of these individuals? A Meetings with Mr. Epstein, yes. BY MR. EMMER: Q Other than Mr. Epstein, did you ever schedule massages fo… | ||
| 9263 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 42 | Page 43 | that's it, that I can recall. Q What did you understand Mr. Epstein's relationship to be with Kathy Ruemmler? A Professional. Business. Q Did you think it was weird that he directed you to schedule a massage for Ms. Ruemmler? A I did not. BY MS. TOLAN: Q And when you were scheduling massages, what information did you gather from the masseuses to schedule them? A Just if they could make it, make the appointment or not. Q Did you ever ask for their age? A No. Q Did you ever ask if they needed trav… | ||
| 9264 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 43 | Page 44 | A No. Q Were all of the masseuses local to the area? A To New York? Q Uh-huh. A I believe so. Q What did you know about their background, where they came from? A Nothing. Q It never came up in conversation whether with them or another individual? A Never. Q Were you aware that many of them were coming from local high schools at the time? A No. Q Were their qualifications as masseuses ever reviewed? A No. Q By anyone. A I don't know. Q And where did the actual massages take place in the New York … | ||
| 9265 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 44 | Page 45 | Q Just quick follow-ups. Did you have any role in preparing the massage room to be used? A No. Q Did you have any role in greeting masseuses when they visited the residence? A No. Q Were you ever present in the room when Mr. Epstein was receiving a massage? A No. Q I understand that Congressman Biggs has some questions. Mr. Biggs. Thank you. Thank you very much. I don't want this to be tedious, but I just really feel like we need to explore this. Recalling the database that you used to make call… | ||
| 9266 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 45 | Page 46 | Ms. Groff. Business. Mr. Biggs. Which raises this odd question. I mean, you had her home number, you had her work number and her business number. Did that strike you as odd that she had multiple -- apparently multiple -- Ms. Groff. Numbers? Mr. Biggs. -- phone numbers with multiple -- Ms. Groff. She -- Mr. Whitcomb. You've got to let him finish his question. Mr. Biggs. Yeah, through multiple places. You can go there. Ms. Groff. It did not strike me as strange. Dawn -- yeah. Mr. Biggs. Was she a … | ||
| 9267 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 46 | Page 47 | Ms. Groff. Gypsy was the male masseuse. Mr. Biggs. There's multiple Gypsys on here. Ms. Groff. It was -- that was his name. That's what he called him. Mr. Biggs. Well, there's another one named and the descriptor there is '(one of gypsy)." What does that mean? Ms. Groff. Oh, I don't know. Mr. Biggs. I mean, I don't want to suppose, but, I mean, there's some suppositions we could make. But that's -- you didn't find that curious." Perhaps let's go to the U.K. massage list for a second. You have a … | ||
| 9268 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 47 | Page 48 | whatever he had in the database? Did it strike you as odd at all? Ms. Groff. Does it strike me as odd now? Mr. Biggs. Yeah, looking back. Ms. Groff. He had so many people in his realm and knew so many people. It doesn't strike me as odd that he has a lot of different people in his black book, in his directory. It's not surprising that he -- it just -- the width and the depth of the people he knew, this is one category, but I believe he had the same amount of people in other categories as well. M… | ||
| 9269 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 48 | Page 49 | BY MS. TOLAN: Q Recognizing we only have a little bit of time, I'm going to ask you a few quick questions. Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein have sexual contact of any kind with any other young woman or girl? A No. Q Did you ever witness Ms. Maxwell have sexual contact of any kind with any other young woman or girl? A No. Q Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein abuse or assault any young woman or girl? A No. Q Did any young woman or girl ever tell you that Mr. Epstein or anyone else abused or assaulte… | ||
| 9270 | Lesley Groff — House Oversight Committee 11 | 49 | Page 50 | Q Philip Levine? A No. Q Les Wexner? A No. Q Leon Black? A No. Q Bill Gates? A No. Q Jes Staley? A No. Q Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor? A No. Q Harvey Weinstein? A No. Q Terje Larsen? A No. Q Tommy Mottola? A No. Q George Mitchell? A No. Q Henry Jarecki? A No. Q Eduardo Teodorani? A No. Q Glenn Dubin? |