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Provided to Morrison Foerster for review on 5/22/2026 Ms. Kellen. No. Ms. Hamm, | think we - we don't, though, as | mentioned at the beginning, want her to talk about other victims. She can talk about her own experience as a victim, but | -- she's not prepared to talk about any other victim. Mr. Higgins. To the gentlelady's point, | was careful to phrase my question within herown assessment. | will absolutely respect the parameters at this time. On the island, how much time did you spend on the island? Ms. Kellen. Quite a bit. That was his main residence. Mr. Higgins. Did you -- did you have a chance to explore the island very much? Ms. Kellen. Yes. i Mr. Higgins. Would you be or did you have any knowledge of any secret areas, secret rooms that might be difficult to detect if you did not know they were there, like doors that looked like walls, things like that? Ms. Kellen, No. a5 Mr. Higgins. Okay. Thank you:for answering those questions. They're helping us to dispel some of the -- some of the murmur that's out there. My final question, your assessment of Jeffrey Epstein, by all accounts, he was a monster. Ms. Kellen. Yes? Mr. Higgins: Did you ever see him as a type of monster that would commit suicide? Ms.Kellen. No. | don't believe he did. Mr. Higgins. You said that very affirmatively. Can you speak to your assessment there? Ms. Kellen. | believe he was too muchof a narcissist, that it was too soon. It was just a month in from him being arrested, and | think that he -- I'm sure he thought he would get off again. He was a coward. |just don't see him -- him going through with something like that. | feel like reading kind of the -- like, Michael Baden or Baden's assessment of the markings on