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wasn't offering you tax or estate services of any kind? A No. There came a time later where he brought up that, you know, he could help on taxes, and I rather sternly rebuffed that effort. Q Sure. And we can get more into that a little bit later. So at this point, meeting him for the first time in 2011, did you understand him to already be wealthy at that point? A Well, certainly the -- you know, the -- just the house alone represented a significant amount of wealth. I'd never seen -- I don't think to this day I've seen a private house in Manhattan that's quite that spacious. Q Did you have any idea at that time how he had acquired his money? A No. To this day, I find that a bit confusing. Q And, again, we'll get a little bit deeper into your interactions with Mr. Epstein later, but just for now, could you briefly characterize the nature of the relationship that you had with Mr. Epstein between 2011 and 2014? Was he a friend? Was he a business associate? A No, he certainly wasn't a friend. You know, he made an effort to extend the relationship with various invitations, but, you know, he -- eventually, you know, as I talked about my work in global health for the Gates Foundation, he suggested that he could raise substantial amounts of money from people that he knew to help with that endeavor, and that became the primary focus out in 2013. 2011, we just had, you know, two dinners, one where it was with Jes Staley and Larry Summers, one where he was just dropping by. So, you know, three encounters in 2011. Then over a year passes and I see him twice in late 2012. And then it's in I think spring 2013 where this purported availability of people who when they would sit and talk about their wills, their taxes, that as part of that process they would realize they had a significant amount of excess money and hopefully they would want to give that philanthropically and hopefully they would consider giving that to global health. And so he -- that became the focus in spring of 2013. Q So you said he would give invitations for things. Were these social functions or