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statement to mean you alone. Is that right? A It's more than interpreted. I'm the one who said it. I'm telling you what I meant. I am telling you what I meant. And that's what I said, which is that -- and I've already described it. Q But is it right that you intended to convey -- as far as you can recall from the interview last year -- you intended to convey with the word "I" that you were speaking only about yourself individually, not in the context of anybody other than you and Epstein being in the room? When you said "I," you just meant I, Secretary Lutnick, alone, was never in the room with Jeffrey Epstein? A I think that's generally right. I'm talking to my wife informally as we leave, and we were discussing me. That's the only person we were discussing, is me, and that I would avoid, and I did. Q Do you -- and you may have touched on this. Apologies if you did. The island visit I think you characterized as not social. Did I hear that correctly? A No. Q Would you characterize the island visit as social? A I would describe a lunch with my wife and my family and the other couple and their family, yes, I would describe that as a social lunch, meaningless and inconsequential social lunch. I agree. Q Okay. So then it is correct to say you were in a room with Jeffrey Epstein socially, but, from what I hear you testifying, because there were other people present, this statement from the interview was still accurate? A This statement was accurate because as the person who said it in describing a conversation, an informal conversation I had with my wife, I was describing that I would not be in a room with him socially, that I would not put myself in that position, which I never was. You are describing something entirely different than what I was expressing, which is a conversation with my wife where she and I discussed that I would not put myself in there. That's why I said "I." I didn't say "we." It would have been easy for me to say "we." I said, as