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this is a discussion with my wife, right? It's an informal discussion with my wife as we walked from his home where he said something inappropriate. And we discussed that I would not put myself in a circumstance with him, and I would avoid him. And so I did. I avoided him. I was never, Howard Lutnick, I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or philanthropically, alone in a situation where I could be at all with a person who I found inappropriate. So that's correct. It's not literally that --- I did not say and I was not intending to say that I was literally never singularly in the room with him, including with other people, like my wife and my children. That is not what I was saying. I was saying I would not put myself in a position that would be with him alone. Why would I do that? And I said I wouldn't and I didn't. So I thought it was accurate. Q So from your point of view, just as a reader of a very simple, straightforward sentence, I think we can agree that you were in the room with Jeffrey Epstein subsequent to the tour of his home. Is that right? A I, without my wife, was not in the room with him socially, for business, or philanthropy. I was with him with my wife and family for lunch on the island in 2012, which I have gone through. But I was never in a social situation with him, Howard Lutnick, I was never in a business situation with him, Howard Lutnick, and I was never in a philanthropic situation with him, Howard Lutnick, ever. Q Yeah. It just -- it drifted a little bit from the question. Is it correct that you were in a room with Jeffrey Epstein subsequent to the day of the tour? A I'm going to stick to my answer. I thought it was descriptive and accurate. Q But if I could just get an answer to the question itself, which is, is it correct that you were in a room with Jeffrey Epstein in a literal sense subsequent to the day of the tour of his home? A Again, I have described it correctly, and I'm going to stick to my answer. Q And you interpreted, if I'm hearing it correctly, you interpreted the word "I" in this