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A Yes. Q Did Mr. Epstein have any particular reaction to you sort of abruptly excusing yourself? A Not that I recall. Q Did you give a particular reason for needing to excuse yourself? A I don't remember anything other than we decided to excuse ourselves. Q And then you said, quote, "And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again." I'll stop there. Is it true that before you got back to your home you and your wife decided that you would never be in the same room as Mr. Epstein again? A I think the meaning of that is right, which is that we discussed that I would not put myself in a situation with him again, that I would not have a personal or professional relationship with him. I would avoid him. That was the point of our discussion. It was an informal conversation that I'm recalling 20 years later, but the point of it is right. Q And so that is - what I'd like to do is separate the theme or the idea from the literal accuracy of the specific words. So when you say, "My wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again," is it -- it's not necessarily a literal decision that you will never allow yourself to be in the room with him again, it's just that you don't want to build a relationship with him? Is that it? A I would not establish a personal and professional relationship with him and I would avoid him. So it was basically a conversation with me and my wife that says avoid. We came to the discussion of avoid, which I did. Q Was it, as far as you can remember, a decision that, as you described it, "If I see him in a