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8919
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A No. I bought my house from Charles de Gunzburg, and I do not recall knowing when I bought the house who owned it previously. Q Yes. So sitting here today, you could not be certain as to whether or not you knew at the time who the previous owners were, is what I hear you saying. A Well, I'm trying to be clear. I remember clearly I bought the house from Charles de Gunzburg. He was the owner of the house. I don't -- I can't remember as I sit here today, almost 30 years later, whether I ever knew subsequently that I learned who owned the house previously. I just don't remember as I sit here. Q But the narrow question is just, at the time you bought the home, did you know whether the home was previously owned by Jeffrey Epstein? And I think -- I think you're saying you're just not sure either way, it was a long time ago. A I don't think so. Q I'm sorry. "No, I don't think so" is unclear for us -- for me. No, you don't think you knew, or you're just not sure whether or not you knew? A I knew I bought the house from Charles de Gunzburg. That I knew. Q I'm crystal clear on that part. No doubt about it. The narrow question is just, at the time of purchase, did you know that the home had previously been owned by Jeffrey Epstein? A Before Charles de Gunzburg owned it, I don't remember whether I ever learned that at that time. Meaning, at the time I purchased it, did I learn that? I don't know. I don't recall and I don't know. Q You don't recall whether or not you knew at the time you purchased it, right? A When I agreed to buy the house, I surely didn't know. How is that? Is that helpful? Q Well, it is, but it's not quite the same thing as the earlier statement. I'm not suggesting that you did or did not know. It's just I think I heard you say, "It was 30 years ago, I don't recall whether or not I knew."