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Q So I'll read this into the record. This is an email from Tuesday, November 20th, of 2012, sent by Lesley Groff. The subject line reads "Jeffrey Epstein." The email reads, "Hello, Mr. Lutnick, Jeffrey Epstein understands you will be down in St. Thomas some over the holidays. Jeffrey requested I please pass along some phone numbers to you so the two of you can possibly get together. Any numbers you wanted to pass along to Jeffrey would be great as well." I will say, it appears that you were the recipient of this email. Do you recall receiving it? A It may be helpful for you to understand that, if the email says "Howard Lutnick" or "Lutnick, Howard" those went to Matthew Gilbert. They did not go to me. They were not -- meaning, I would never see them. They went to Matthew Gilbert. You would know if they went to me if they are listed as "HWL" and -- because I received hundreds of emails, sometimes thousands. And they went to Matthew Gilbert, and I would not see them. So these would've gone to him, and I would not have seen them. Q I understand. And, for the record, that's why Matthew Gilbert would've been the individual who responded to this email. Is that right? A I mean, he would respond sometimes in his name, but he would also respond sometimes to the same email in my name. Q And you discussed the invite in your opening statement, but I'm going to ask you again. How did your visit to Little Saint James come about? Who coordinated it? A What I still cannot understand is this November 20, how or why, without any communication for years would he inexplicably know where I'm going. It's unsettling, actually. But this is how it happened. You know, I don't know why it happened, but this is -- you're actually literally seeing how it happened, but it is inexplicable that he would -- and his staff would know where I was going to be. I had no interactions with him.