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boundaries. So avoid him. That was the discussion I had with my wife, and I did avoid him. So it is true what I said. It wasn't that I couldn't be -- if he -- as the Members know, often people come up to you and, you know, say hello to you in a big crowd. I wasn't saying that couldn't occur. It didn't occur, but the point I was making is I would not have a personal and professional relationship with him. I would avoid it, and I did avoid it. Q Did you interact with Epstein after the initial interaction that you described on the podcast? A As I said in my opening statement, I had two in-person interactions with him thereafter over the next 14 years -- even though I lived adjacent to him, two interactions over the next 14 years, both meaningless and inconsequential. Q And we will get into more specifics, but you did visit Epstein's private island. Is that right? A I did visit Jeffrey Epstein's private island with my wife and my children and another couple and their four children and staff, yes. Q I want to briefly talk about statements that you made related to -- and I'm going to -- your statement was that Epstein had an MO to give massages to influential individuals and -- that he used it as blackmail. For the record, that was based not on firsthand knowledge. Is that right? A Correct. Mr. Terwilliger. I'm sorry, Counsel. Would you mind just letting us know where that statement's coming from? Mr. Emmer. During the same podcast. Mr. Terwilliger. Thank you. Mr. Emmer. And I'll be happy to pull out the transcript if you guys need a -- Mr. Terwilliger. No. Just was curious where -- just wanted to make sure we were tracking