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office, suggesting he had a reason to get in touch with me. Our offices attempted to connect us by phone over the course of several weeks but were unable to do so. Ultimately, to the best of my recollection, his staff indicated he would be in his residence on a particular weekend afternoon. And my staff arranged for me to ring his bell, during my and my wife's typical Sunday walk around the block with our dogs, to hear what he had to say. My best recollection is: I rang the bell, sat in his foyer with my dog, waited for him to come down, heard what he had to say, and left. As far as I recall, it was about scaffolding. It was meaningless and inconsequential. Next, some 18 months later, in late 2012, his staff inexplicably contacted my office, unprompted, regarding my family's planned holiday travels to the Caribbean. Unbeknownst to me, his staff somehow had become aware that my family and I would be near his island over the holidays, although they were apparently unsure whether that meant during the Thanksgiving or Christmas holidays. I still have no idea how his staff discovered my family's vacation plans or why they pursued arranging a visit with me. From what I have since learned, it appears he was initially seeking a meeting with just me. My wife made clear, however, that we had a large traveling party of approximately 12-plus people, and if we were to come, it would be with everyone. My family of six and another family of six, had a brief, meaningless, and inconsequential lunch and then left. To the best of my recollection, those were the only three occasions in which I interacted with Epstein in person. Each and every one was meaningless and inconsequential. To put this in perspective, Epstein lived in the house next door to my family for 14 years, and in that entire time, I interacted with him in person only three times. Again, each meaningless and inconsequential.