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A It was Sunday morning. I was in my study at home, and I got a call from my chief of staff saying that -- that Epstein died from an apparent suicide. Q Do you recall about how close in time it was to the pronouncement of death? A I -- I don't recall. It was in the morning, I believe. Q And it's still your opinion today that Mr. Epstein died by suicide? A Absolutely. Q Before getting into kind of what the investigation looked like after that, what information was flowing to you, do you know, to the best of your knowledge, what are the policies and procedures in place to -- that were in place to ensure that Mr. Epstein didn't commit suicide? A Well, there had been an -- as you know, there had been an attempted suicide in July. And, based on that, they put him under suicide watch, which is the most intensive form of monitoring. And then he was taken off suicide watch, based on the psychologists at the MCC making the determination that he could be taken off that kind of intensive watch. I found out afterward that, you know, his lawyers had been pressing hard for him to be let out of suicide watch. And, in any event, he was put on the next level down, which was -- I forgot exactly the term used for it, but it required that he have a cell mate and he be checked every 30 minutes. Those were the -- in addition to, you know, the other general security systems in place, those were the two that applied directly to him that were supposed to prevent this. Q And on -- understanding suicide watch is very intensive, requires a lot of staff power, and on suicide watch, are they provided with clothes that don't tear and sheets that don't tear? A I believe that's the case. Q And then, as -- A I don't know. I can't -- I believe that they -- they're careful about the utensils, but I think eyeballs are on them 24/7. That's my understanding of it. Q And, then, when were you first provided with a more formal briefing regarding