{"database": "deposition_transcripts", "table": "segments", "rows": [[9606, 13, 19, "Page 20", null, null, "When Drexel collapsed in early '90, I founded Apollo Global Management and was the chairman and CEO there for almost 31 years. I left. I retired there 5 years ago, basically, and have been running our family office called Elysium. Q When did you begin work with Elysium? A Well, I started Elysium while I was still at Apollo. But when I retired from Apollo, it kind of amped up. Q What year did you begin your work with Elysium? A I don't remember the specific year, but that family office was in existence probably for 3 or 4 years while I was still chairman at Apollo. Q Thank you. Tell me about the first time you interacted with Jeffrey Epstein. A I met Epstein in the mid-'90s, either '95 or '96, at a lunch that I was having with a mutual friend of ours, which he then joined. That's when I first met him, and that was in New York City in the mid-'90s. Q Who was the mutual friend? A It was a man named Skip Stein. Elliot Stein. Q How did you know Mr. Stein? A I had known Mr. Stein for many years. He was an investor. He's a friend. Q What was his relationship to Mr. Epstein? A I think they were friends also. Q How did you know that? A Because he joined a lunch and said, \"This is my friend Jeffrey Epstein that I want you to meet.\" Q Did you know Mr. Epstein would be going to the lunch before? A No."]], "columns": ["id", "deposition_id", "segment_index", "speaker", "start_seconds", "end_seconds", "text"], "primary_keys": ["id"], "primary_key_values": ["9606"], "units": {}, "query_ms": 0.8430089801549911, "source": "Epstein Files Transparency Act (Public Law 119-38) DOJ Production", "source_url": "https://www.justice.gov/epstein", "license": "CC BY-NC-SA 4.0", "license_url": "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/"}