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8763,7,0,Page 1,,,"COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C. INTERVIEW OF: TED WAITT Thursday, April 30, 2026 Washington, D.C. The interview in ƚŚĞĂďŽǀĞŵĂƩĞƌǁĂƐŚĞůĚŝŶƌŽŽŵϮϮϰϳ͕ĐŽŵŵĞŶĐŝŶŐĂƚϭϬ͗ϬϭĂ͘ŵ͘ WƌĞƐĞŶƚ͗  ZĞƉƌĞƐĞŶƚĂƟǀĞƐŽŵĞƌ͕tĂůŬŝŶƐŚĂǁ͕^ƵďƌĂŵĂŶLJĂŵ͕DĂĐĞ͕ĂŶĚ<ŚĂŶŶĂ͘ "
8764,7,1,Page 2,,,"ƉƉĞĂƌĂŶĐĞƐ͗ For the COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM: DANIEL ASHWORTH, GENERAL COUNSEL BRITTANY BRIGNAC, SENIOR COUNSEL HANNAH CATHEY, PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER JESSICA COLLINS, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR :<DDZ͕,/&KhE^>&KZ/Es^d/'d/KE^ EMILY FEYERABEND, COUNSEL RYAN GIACHETTI, CHIEF COUNSEL BILLY GRANT, DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS WILL HARNICE, PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER PETER SPECTRE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR OVERSIGHT ELLISON TOLAN, COUNSEL , MINORITY DEPUTY STAFF DIRECTOR , MINORITY RESEARCH ASSISTANT , MINORITY LEGAL INTERN , MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL , MINORITY SENIOR COUNSEL , MINORITY FELLOW , MINORITY SENIOR ADVISOR MINORITY CHIEF COUNSEL"
8765,7,2,Page 3,,,"For TED WAITT: ASHLEY CALLEN, ESQ. :KE^<>Ez͕^Y͘ ANDREW PLAGUE, ESQ. :ĞŶŶĞƌΘůŽĐŬ"
8766,7,3,Page 4,,,"Ms. Cathey. dŚŝƐŝƐĂƚƌĂŶƐĐƌŝďĞĚŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁŽĨDƌ͘ dŚĞŽĚŽƌĞtĂŝƩ͕ĐŽŶĚƵĐƚĞĚďLJƚŚĞ,ŽƵƐĞ ŽŵŵŝƩĞĞŽŶKǀĞƌƐŝŐŚƚĂŶĚ'ŽǀĞƌŶŵĞŶƚZĞĨŽƌŵƵŶĚĞƌƚŚĞĂƵƚŚŽƌŝƚLJŐƌĂŶƚĞĚƚŽŝƚƉƵƌƐƵĂŶƚƚŽ House Rule X. ĐĐŽƌĚŝŶŐůLJ͕,ŽƵƐĞ Rule yŐƌĂŶƚƐƚŚĞĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞďƌŽĂĚũƵƌŝƐĚŝĐƟŽŶĨŽƌƚŚĞĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞƚŽ ĐŽŶĚƵĐƚŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶƐŽĨĂŶLJŵĂƩĞƌĂƚĂŶLJƟŵĞ͘  This interview was requested by Chairman James ŽŵĞƌĂƐƉĂƌƚŽĨƚŚĞĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞΖƐ ŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶŝŶƚŽƚŚĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐŝŶƚŚĞƐƵďƐĞƋƵĞŶƚŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶƐŝŶƚŽƚŚĞĐƌŝŵĞƐŽĨ :ĞīƌĞLJ Epstein and Ghislaine DĂdžǁĞůů͕ƚŚĞŽƉĞƌĂƟŽŶŽĨƐĞdžƚƌĂĸĐŬŝŶŐƌŝŶŐƐ͕ĂŶĚǁĂLJƐĨŽƌƚŚĞ&ĞĚĞƌĂů 'ŽǀĞƌŶŵĞŶƚƚŽĞīĞĐƟǀĞůLJĐŽŵďĂƚƚŚĞŵ͕ƚŚĞǁĂLJƐŝŶǁŚŝĐŚDƌ͘ Epstein and Ms. Maxwell sought to ĐƵƌƌLJĨĂǀŽƌĂŶĚĞdžĞƌĐŝƐĞŝŶŇƵĞŶĐĞƚŽƉƌŽƚĞĐƚƚŚĞŝƌŝůůĞŐĂůĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐĂŶĚƉŽƚĞŶƟĂůǀŝŽůĂƟŽŶƐŽĨƚŚŝĐƐ ƌƵůĞƐƌĞůĂƚĞĚƚŽĞůĞĐƚĞĚŽĸĐŝĂůƐ͘  ŽƵůĚƚŚĞǁŝƚŶĞƐƐƉůĞĂƐĞƐƚĂƚĞŚŝƐŶĂŵĞĂŶĚƐƉĞůůŚŝƐůĂƐƚŶĂŵĞĨŽƌƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ dĞĚtĂŝƩ͕t-a-i-t-t. Ms. Cathey. dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  /ǁĂŶƚƚŽƚŚĂŶŬDƌ͘ tĂŝƩĨŽƌĂƉƉĞĂƌŝŶŐŚĞƌĞƚŽĚĂLJ͘  DLJŶĂŵĞŝƐ ,ĂŶŶĂŚĂƚŚĞLJ͘  /ΖŵĂƉƌŽĨĞƐƐŝŽŶĂůƐƚĂīŵĞŵďĞƌĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ:ĂŵĞƐ Comer. hŶĚĞƌƚŚĞŽŵŵŝƩĞĞŽŶKǀĞƌƐŝŐŚƚĂŶĚ'ŽǀĞƌŶŵĞŶƚZĞĨŽƌŵΖƐƌƵůĞƐ͕LJŽƵĂƌĞĂůůŽǁĞĚƚŽŚĂǀĞ ĐŽƵŶƐĞůƉƌĞƐĞŶƚƚŽĂĚǀŝƐĞLJŽƵĚƵƌŝŶŐƚŚŝƐŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁ͘  ŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĐŽƵŶƐĞůƌĞƉƌĞƐĞŶƟŶŐLJŽƵŝŶĂ ƉĞƌƐŽŶĂůĐĂƉĂĐŝƚLJƉƌĞƐĞŶƚǁŝƚŚLJŽƵƚŽĚĂLJ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. tŝůůĐŽƵŶƐĞůƉůĞĂƐĞŝĚĞŶƟĨLJƚŚĞŵƐĞůǀĞƐĨŽƌƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  Ms. Callen. Ashley Callen. Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ :ŽŶ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘  Mr. Plague. Andrew Plague. Ms. Cathey. &ŽƌƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͕ƐƚĂƌƟŶŐǁŝƚŚƚŚĞŵĂũŽƌŝƚLJƐƚĂī͕ĐĂŶƚŚĞĂĚĚŝƟŽŶĂůƐƚĂī ŵĞŵďĞƌƐƉůĞĂƐĞŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞƚŚĞŵƐĞůǀĞƐǁŝƚŚƚŚĞŝƌŶĂŵĞ͕ƟƚůĞ͕ĂŶĚĂĸůŝĂƟŽŶ͘ "
8767,7,4,Page 5,,,"Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ Peter ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͕ĚŝƌĞĐƚŽƌŽĨKǀĞƌƐŝŐŚƚ͕ŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Mr. Grant. Billy 'ƌĂŶƚ͕ĚĞƉƵƚLJĐŚŝĞĨĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶƐĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Mr. Emmer. :ĂĐŬŵŵĞƌ͕ĐŚŝĞĨĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶƐĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Mr. 'ŝĂĐŚĞƫ͘ ZLJĂŶ'ŝĂĐŚĞƫ͕ĐŚŝĞĨĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Mr. Ashworth. ĂŶƐŚǁŽƌƚŚ͕ŐĞŶĞƌĂůĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Ms. ƌŝŐŶĂĐ͘ ƌŝƩĂŶLJƌŝŐŶĂĐ͕ƐĞŶŝŽƌĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Ms. Tolan. ůůŝƐŽŶdŽůĂŶ͕ĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Ms. Feyerabend. ŵŝůLJ&ĞLJĞƌĂďĞŶĚ͕ĐŽƵŶƐĞůĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Mr. ,ĂƌŶŝĐĞ͘ tŝůů,ĂƌŶŝĐĞ͕ƉƌŽĨĞƐƐŝŽŶĂůƐƚĂīŵĞŵďĞƌ͕ŚĂŝƌŵĂŶ Comer. Ms. Vinyard. Ashlee sŝŶLJĂƌĚ͕ĚĞƉƵƚLJƐƚĂīĚŝƌĞĐƚŽƌĨŽƌŚĂŝƌŵĂŶŽŵĞƌ͘  ͕ĐŚŝĞĨĐŽƵŶƐĞů͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ 'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  . ͕ƐĞŶŝŽƌĐŽƵŶƐĞů͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  . ͕ƐĞŶŝŽƌĐŽƵŶƐĞů͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  . ͕ĚĞƉƵƚLJƐƚĂīĚŝƌĞĐƚŽƌ͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  . ͕ƌĞƐĞĂƌĐŚĂƐƐŝƐƚĂŶƚ͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  ͕ĨĞůůŽǁ͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ 'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  . ͕ůĞŐĂůŝŶƚĞƌŶ͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ 'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  . ͕ƐĞŶŝŽƌĂĚǀŝƐŽƌ͕ZĂŶŬŝŶŐDĞŵďĞƌ'ĂƌĐŝĂ͘  Ms. Cathey. dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵĂůů͘  Dƌ͘tĂŝƩ͕ďĞĨŽƌĞǁĞďĞŐŝŶ͕/ΖĚůŝŬĞƚŽŐŽŽǀĞƌƚŚĞŐƌŽƵŶĚƌƵůĞƐĨŽƌƚŚŝƐŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁ͘  dŚĞ ƋƵĞƐƟŽŶŝŶŐǁŝůůƉƌŽĐĞĞĚŝŶƌŽƵŶĚƐ͘  dŚĞŵĂũŽƌŝƚLJǁŝůůĂƐŬƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐĨŽƌƵƉƚŽĂŶŚŽƵƌ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞ ŵŝŶŽƌŝƚLJǁŝůůŚĂǀĞĂŶŽƉƉŽƌƚƵŶŝƚLJƚŽĂƐŬƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐĨŽƌƵƉƚŽĂŶŚŽƵƌŝĨƚŚĞLJĐŚŽŽƐĞ͘  dŽƚŚĞĞdžƚĞŶƚƚŚĂƚDĞŵďĞƌƐŚĂǀĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐĨŽƌƚŚĞǁŝƚŶĞƐƐ͕ƚŚĞLJǁŝůůďĞƉƌŽƉŽƵŶĚĞĚĚƵƌŝŶŐ ƚŚĞŝƌƐŝĚĞΖƐƌĞƐƉĞĐƟǀĞƌŽƵŶĚƐ͘  dŚĞĐůŽĐŬǁŝůůƐƚŽƉŝĨLJŽƵŶĞĞĚƚŽĐŽŶĨĞƌǁŝƚŚĐŽƵŶƐĞů͕LJŽƵƌĐŽƵŶƐĞůŝƐƐƉĞĂŬŝŶŐ͕ĂŶĚǁŚĞŶ"
8768,7,5,Page 6,,,DĞŵďĞƌƐŽƌƐƚĂīĂƌĞƐƉĞĂŬŝŶŐĚƵƌŝŶŐƚŚĞŽƉƉŽƐŝŶŐƐŝĚĞΖƐƌŽƵŶĚƐŽĨƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐ͘  tĞǁŝůůĂůƚĞƌŶĂƚĞďĂĐŬĂŶĚĨŽƌƚŚƵŶƟůƚŚĞƌĞĂƌĞŶŽŵŽƌĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐ͘  ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. dŚĞƌĞŝƐĂĐŽƵƌƚƌĞƉŽƌƚĞƌƚĂŬŝŶŐĚŽǁŶĞǀĞƌLJƚŚŝŶŐ/ƐĂLJĂŶĚĞǀĞƌLJƚŚŝŶŐLJŽƵƐĂLJ ƚŽŵĂŬĞĂǁƌŝƩĞŶƌĞĐŽƌĚŽĨƚŚĞŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁ͘  &ŽƌƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚƚŽďĞĐůĞĂƌ͕ƉůĞĂƐĞǁĂŝƚƵŶƟůƚŚĞƐƚĂīĞƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶŝŶŐLJŽƵĮŶŝƐŚĞƐĞĂĐŚƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ ďĞĨŽƌĞLJŽƵďĞŐŝŶLJŽƵƌĂŶƐǁĞƌ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞƐƚĂīǁŝůůǁĂŝƚƵŶƟůLJŽƵĮŶŝƐŚLJŽƵƌƌĞƐƉŽŶƐĞďĞĨŽƌĞ ƉƌŽĐĞĞĚŝŶŐƚŽƚŚĞŶĞdžƚƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ͘ &ƵƌƚŚĞƌ͕ƚŽĞŶƐƵƌĞƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƚƌĞƉŽƌƚĞƌĐĂŶƉƌŽƉĞƌůLJƌĞĐŽƌĚƚŚŝƐŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁ͕ƉůĞĂƐĞƐƉĞĂŬĐůĞĂƌůLJ͕ ĐŽŶĐŝƐĞůLJ͕ĂŶĚƐůŽǁůLJ͘  ůƐŽ͕ƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƚƌĞƉŽƌƚĞƌĐĂŶŶŽƚƌĞĐŽƌĚŶŽŶǀĞƌďĂůĂŶƐǁĞƌƐƐƵĐŚĂƐŶŽĚĚŝŶŐŽƌƐŚĂŬŝŶŐLJŽƵƌ ŚĞĂĚ͕ƐŽŝƚΖƐŝŵƉŽƌƚĂŶƚƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĂŶƐǁĞƌĞĂĐŚƋƵĞƐƟŽŶǁŝůůĂŶĂƵĚŝďůĞ͕ǀĞƌďĂůĂŶƐǁĞƌ͘  džŚŝďŝƚƐŵĂLJďĞĞŶƚĞƌĞĚŝŶƚŽƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  DĂũŽƌŝƚLJĞdžŚŝďŝƚƐǁŝůůďĞŝĚĞŶƟĮĞĚŶƵŵĞƌŝĐĂůůLJ͕ĂŶĚ ƚŚĞŵŝŶŽƌŝƚLJĞdžŚŝďŝƚƐǁŝůůďĞŝĚĞŶƟĮĞĚĂůƉŚĂďĞƟĐĂůůLJ͘  ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. tĞǁĂŶƚLJŽƵƚŽĂŶƐǁĞƌŽƵƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐŝŶƚŚĞŵŽƐƚĐŽŵƉůĞƚĞĂŶĚƚƌƵƚŚĨƵů ŵĂŶŶĞƌƉŽƐƐŝďůĞ͕ƐŽǁĞǁŝůůƚĂŬĞŽƵƌƟŵĞ͘  /ĨLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐŽƌĚŽŶŽƚĨƵůůLJƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚƚŚĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ͕ƉůĞĂƐĞůĞƚƵƐŬŶŽǁ͕ĂŶĚ ǁĞΖůůĂƩĞŵƉƚƚŽĐůĂƌŝĨLJ͕ĂĚĚĐŽŶƚĞdžƚƚŽ͕ŽƌƌĞƉŚƌĂƐĞŽƵƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐ͘  /ĨǁĞĂƐŬĂďŽƵƚƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐŽƌĞǀĞŶƚƐŝŶƚŚĞƉĂƐƚ͕ĂŶĚLJŽƵΖƌĞƵŶĂďůĞƚŽƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĞ ĞdžĂĐƚǁŽƌĚƐŽƌĚĞƚĂŝůƐ͕LJŽƵƐŚŽƵůĚƚĞƐƟĨLJƚŽƚŚĞƐƵďƐƚĂŶĐĞŽĨƚŚŽƐĞĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐŽƌĞǀĞŶƚƐƚŽƚŚĞ ďĞƐƚŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞĐŽůůĞĐƟŽŶ͘  /ĨLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůŽŶůLJĂƉĂƌƚŽĨĂĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶŽƌĞǀĞŶƚ͕LJŽƵƐŚŽƵůĚŐŝǀĞƵƐLJŽƵƌďĞƐƚƌĞĐŽůůĞĐƟŽŶŽĨ ƚŚŽƐĞĞǀĞŶƚƐŽƌƉĂƌƚƐŽĨĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĚŽƌĞĐĂůů͘ 
8769,7,6,Page 7,,,"ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. Although you are here voluntarily and you will not be sworn in, you are ƌĞƋƵŝƌĞĚďLJůĂǁ͕ƉƵƌƐƵĂŶƚƚŽdŝƚůĞϭϴŽĨƚŚĞhŶŝƚĞĚ States ŽĚĞ͕^ĞĐƟŽŶϭϬϬϭ͕ƚŽĂŶƐǁĞƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐ ĨƌŽŵŽŶŐƌĞƐƐƚƌƵƚŚĨƵůůLJ͘  dŚŝƐĂůƐŽĂƉƉůŝĞƐƚŽƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐƉŽƐĞĚďLJĐŽŶŐƌĞƐƐŝŽŶĂůƐƚĂīŝŶƚŚŝƐŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁ͘  ŽLJŽƵ ƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. /ĨĂƚĂŶLJƟŵĞLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŝŶŐůLJŵĂŬĞĨĂůƐĞƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚƐ͕LJŽƵǁŽƵůĚďĞƐƵďũĞĐƚƚŽ ĐƌŝŵŝŶĂůƉƌŽƐĞĐƵƟŽŶ͘  ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. dŚŝƐŝŶĐůƵĚĞƐďŽƚŚŬŶŽǁŝŶŐůLJƉƌŽǀŝĚŝŶŐĨĂůƐĞƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJ͕ďƵƚĂůƐŽƐƚĂƟŶŐƚŚĂƚ LJŽƵĚŽŶŽƚƌĞĐĂůůŽƌƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌƐŽŵĞƚŚŝŶŐǁŚĞŶ͕ŝŶĨĂĐƚ͕LJŽƵĚŽ͘  ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. &ƵƌƚŚĞƌŵŽƌĞ͕LJŽƵĐĂŶŶŽƚƚĞůůŚĂůĨ-ƚƌƵƚŚƐŽƌĞdžĐůƵĚĞŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶŶĞĐĞƐƐĂƌLJƚŽ ŵĂŬĞƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚƐĂĐĐƵƌĂƚĞ͘  zŽƵΖƌĞƌĞƋƵŝƌĞĚƚŽƉƌŽǀŝĚĞĂůůŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶƚŚĂƚǁŽƵůĚŵĂŬĞLJŽƵƌ ƌĞƐƉŽŶƐĞƚƌƵƚŚĨƵů͘  ĚĞůŝďĞƌĂƚĞĨĂŝůƵƌĞƚŽĚŝƐĐůŽƐĞŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶĐĂŶĐŽŶƐƟƚƵƚĞĂĨĂůƐĞƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚ͘  ŽLJŽƵ ƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. /ƐƚŚĞƌĞĂŶLJƌĞĂƐŽŶLJŽƵĂƌĞƵŶĂďůĞƚŽƉƌŽǀŝĚĞƚƌƵƚŚĨƵůƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJŝŶƚŽĚĂLJΖƐ ŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. Ms. Cathey. WůĞĂƐĞŶŽƚĞƚŚĂƚŝĨLJŽƵǁŝƐŚƚŽĂƐƐĞƌƚĂƉƌŝǀŝůĞŐĞŽǀĞƌĂŶLJƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚƚŽĚĂLJ͕ƚŚĂƚ"
8770,7,7,Page 8,,,"ĂƐƐĞƌƟŽŶŵƵƐƚĐŽŵƉůLJǁŝƚŚƚŚĞƌƵůĞƐŽĨƚŚĞŽŵŵŝƩĞĞŽŶKǀĞƌƐŝŐŚƚĂŶĚ'ŽǀĞƌŶŵĞŶƚ ZĞĨŽƌŵ͘  WƵƌƐƵĂŶƚƚŽƚŚĂƚ͕ŽŵŵŝƩĞĞZƵůĞϭϲ;ĐͿϭƐƚĂƚĞƐ͕&ŽƌƚŚĞĐŚĂŝƌƚŽĐŽŶƐŝĚĞƌĂƐƐĞƌƟŽŶƐŽĨ ƉƌŝǀŝůĞŐĞŽǀĞƌƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJŽƌƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚƐ͕ǁŝƚŶĞƐƐĞƐ͕ŽƌĞŶƟƟĞƐŵƵƐƚĐůĞĂƌůLJƐƚĂƚĞƚŚĞƐƉĞĐŝĮĐƉƌŝǀŝůĞŐĞ ďĞŝŶŐĂƐƐĞƌƚĞĚĂŶĚƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶĨŽƌƚŚĞĂƐƐĞƌƟŽŶŽŶŽƌďĞĨŽƌĞƚŚĞƐĐŚĞĚƵůĞĚĚĂƚĞŽĨƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJŽƌ ĂƉƉĞĂƌĂŶĐĞ͘  ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. KƌĚŝŶĂƌŝůLJ͕ǁĞƚĂŬĞĂϱ-ŵŝŶƵƚĞďƌĞĂŬĂƚƚŚĞĞŶĚŽĨĞĂĐŚŚŽƵƌŽĨƋƵĞƐƟŽŶŝŶŐ͕ ďƵƚŝĨLJŽƵŶĞĞĚĂůŽŶŐĞƌďƌĞĂŬŽƌĂďƌĞĂŬďĞĨŽƌĞƚŚĂƚ͕ƉůĞĂƐĞůĞƚƵƐŬŶŽǁĂŶĚǁĞΖůůďĞŚĂƉƉLJƚŽ ĂĐĐŽŵŵŽĚĂƚĞ͘  ,ŽǁĞǀĞƌ͕ƚŽƚŚĞĞdžƚĞŶƚƚŚĂƚƚŚĞƌĞŝƐĂƉĞŶĚŝŶŐƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ͕ǁĞǁŽƵůĚĂƐŬƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĮŶŝƐŚ ĂŶƐǁĞƌŝŶŐƚŚĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶďĞĨŽƌĞǁĞƚĂŬĞƚŚĞďƌĞĂŬ͘  ŽLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Ms. Cathey. ŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJŽƚŚĞƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐďĞĨŽƌĞǁĞďĞŐŝŶ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ Dƌ͘tĂŝƩŚĂƐĂŶŽƉĞŶŝŶŐƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚƚŚĂƚŚĞΖĚůŝŬĞƚŽŐŝǀĞ -- ŝĨLJŽƵΖƌĞƌĞĂĚLJ͘  Ms. Cathey. All right. Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ 'ŽŽĚŵŽƌŶŝŶŐ͕ŵĞŵďĞƌƐŽĨƚŚĞĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞĂŶĚƐƚĂī͘  DLJŶĂŵĞŝƐdĞĚ tĂŝƩ͘  / was born and raised in Sioux ŝƚLJ͕/ŽǁĂ͕ƚŚĞƐŽŶŽĨĂĨŽƵƌƚŚ-ŐĞŶĞƌĂƟŽŶĐĂƩůĞŵĂŶ͘  tŚŝůĞ/ĚŝĚŶŽƚĨŽůůŽǁŵLJĨĂŵŝůLJŝŶƚŽƚŚĞĐĂƩůĞďƵƐŝŶĞƐƐ͕ŵLJŽǁŶĐĂƌĞĞƌďĞŐĂŶŽŶŵLJĨĂŵŝůLJΖƐ ƌĂŶĐŚ͘  /Ŷϭϵϴϱ͕/ĐŽĨŽƵŶĚĞĚƚŚĞƉĞƌƐŽŶĂůĐŽŵƉƵƚĞƌĐŽŵƉĂŶLJ'ĂƚĞǁĂLJŝŶƚŚĞĞŵƉƚLJ͕ƵƉƉĞƌŇŽŽƌŽĨ ĂĨĂƌŵŚŽƵƐĞŽŶŵLJĨĂƚŚĞƌΖƐƌĂŶĐŚ͘  Twenty LJĞĂƌƐůĂƚĞƌ͕/ƌĞƟƌĞĚĨƌŽŵ'ĂƚĞǁĂLJ͕ĂŶĚƐŝŶĐĞƚŚĞŶ͕/ΖǀĞďĞĞŶĨŽƌƚƵŶĂƚĞƚŽĨŽĐƵƐŵLJ ĞŶĞƌŐLJĂŶĚŵLJƌĞƐŽƵƌĐĞƐŽŶƉŚŝůĂŶƚŚƌŽƉLJĂŶĚƚŚĞĐĂƵƐĞƐŶĞĂƌĞƐƚƚŽŵLJŚĞĂƌƚ͘  ŚŝĞĨĂŵŽŶŐƚŚŽƐĞ ĂƌĞǀŝŽůĞŶĐĞƉƌĞǀĞŶƟŽŶĂŶĚŽĐĞĂŶĐŽŶƐĞƌǀĂƟŽŶ͘ "
8771,7,8,Page 9,,,/ŶϮϬϬϱ͕ŵLJƐŝƐƚĞƌĂŶĚ/ĨŽƵŶĚĞĚƚŚĞtĂŝƩ /ŶƐƟƚƵƚĞĨŽƌsŝŽůĞŶĐĞWƌĞǀĞŶƟŽŶ͕ďƵŝůĚŝŶŐŽŶƚŚĞ ǁŽƌŬƚŚĞ&ŽƵŶĚĂƟŽŶŚĂĚďĞĞŶĚŽŝŶŐƐŝŶĐĞϭϵϵϯ͘  dŚĞ/ŶƐƟƚƵƚĞŝƐĨŽĐƵƐĞĚŽŶĐŽŵďĂƟŶŐǀŝŽůĞŶĐĞĂŐĂŝŶƐƚǁŽŵĞŶ͕ƉƌĞǀĞŶƟŶŐďƵůůLJŝŶŐ͕ĂŶĚ ďƌĞĂŬŝŶŐƚŚĞĐLJĐůĞƐŽĨǀŝŽůĞŶĐĞƚŚĂƚĞdžŝƐƚŝŶŽƵƌŚŽŵĞƐ͕ƐĐŚŽŽůƐ͕ĂŶĚĐŽŵŵƵŶŝƟes. ƚŝƚƐĐŽƌĞ͕ŽƵƌǁŽƌŬŝƐĂďŽƵƚĚŝƐƌƵƉƟŶŐƚŚĞƐŽĐŝĂůŶŽƌŵƐƚŚĂƚĂĐĐĞƉƚǀŝŽůĞŶĐĞĂƐĂƉĂƌƚŽĨůŝĨĞ͘  dŚĂƚΖƐǁŚLJ/ďĞůŝĞǀĞLJŽƵƌĐƵƌƌĞŶƚŝŶƋƵŝƌLJŝŶƚŽ:ĞīƌĞLJ Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell is so important. &ŽƌƚŽŽůŽŶŐ͕:ĞīƌĞLJƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐĐƌŝŵĞƐǁĞƌĞƵŶƉƵŶŝƐŚĞĚĂŶĚǁĞƌĞƐǁĞƉƚƵŶĚĞƌƚŚĞƌƵŐĂƐƉĂƌƚ ŽĨĂĐƵůƚƵƌĞƚŚĂƚĂĐĐĞƉƚĞĚƚŚĞŵŽƐƚƵŶĂĐĐĞƉƚĂďůĞďĞŚĂǀŝŽƌĨƌŽŵƌŝĐŚĂŶĚƉŽǁĞƌĨƵůƉĞŽƉůĞ͘  /ǁĂŶƚƚŽĂĐŬŶŽǁůĞĚŐĞƚŚĞǀŝĐƟŵƐǁŚŽǁĞƌĞƐŝůĞŶĐĞĚĂŶĚŝŐŶŽƌĞĚĂŶĚĚĞŶŝĞĚũƵƐƟĐĞĨŽƌƚŽŽ long. /ĂŵŚŽƉĞĨƵůƚŚĂƚƚŚŝƐŝŶƋƵŝƌLJǁŝůůůĞĂĚŶŽƚŽŶůLJƚŽŐƌĞĂƚĞƌĂĐĐŽƵŶƚĂďŝůŝƚLJĂŶĚũƵƐƟĐĞĨŽƌ ǀŝĐƟŵƐ͕ďƵƚĂůƐŽƚŽĂďƌŽĂĚĞƌƉƵďůŝĐƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚŝŶŐŽĨƚŚĞĐŽŶĚŝƟŽŶƐƚŚĂƚĞdžƉŽƐĞLJŽƵŶŐǁŽŵĞŶƚŽ ǀŝŽůĞŶĐĞĂŶĚĞdžƉůŽŝƚĂƟŽŶĂĐƌŽƐƐƚŚĞĐŽƵŶƚƌLJĂŶĚĂƌŽƵŶĚƚŚĞǁŽƌůĚ͘  /ƚŝƐŝŶƚŚĂƚƐƉŝƌŝƚƚŚĂƚ/ĂŵŚĞƌĞƚŽĚĂLJǀŽůƵŶƚĂƌŝůLJƚŽĂŶƐǁĞƌLJŽƵƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐ͘  ĞĨŽƌĞ/ĚŽƐŽ͕/ǁŽƵůĚůŝŬĞƚŽŽƵƚůŝŶĞƐŽŵĞŬĞLJĨĂĐƚƐĂďŽƵƚŵLJƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ Maxwell ĂŶĚŵLJůŝŵŝƚĞĚŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƟŽŶƐǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ Epstein. /ĮƌƐƚŵĞƚďŽƚŚDƐ͘ Maxwell and Mr. Epstein in November 2003 at a dinner in Hong <ŽŶŐ͘  / ǁĂƐƚƌĂǀĞůŝŶŐŝŶƐŝĂĂŶĚƌĞĐĞŝǀĞĚĂůĂƐƚ-ŵŝŶƵƚĞŝŶǀŝƚĂƟŽŶƚŽũŽŝŶĂůĂƌŐĞŐƌŽƵƉŽĨƉĞŽƉůĞĂƚĂ restaurant. /ĞdžĐŚĂŶŐĞĚĐŽŶƚĂĐƚŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͕ĂŶĚǁĞďĞŐĂŶĐŽŵŵƵŶŝĐĂƟŶŐŵŽƌĞ regularly over the next several months. /ĚŽŶŽƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŚĂǀŝŶŐĂŶLJĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶĂƚƚŚĂƚĚŝŶŶĞƌďĞLJŽŶĚĂďƌŝĞĨ ŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐƟŽŶ͘ /ŶϮϬϬϰ͕ŵLJĨƌŝĞŶĚƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĚĞǀĞůŽƉĞĚŝŶƚŽĂƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉƚŚĂƚ ƵůƟŵĂƚĞůLJůĂƐƚĞĚƵŶƟů^ĞƉƚĞŵďĞƌϮϬϭϬ͘  dŚŝƐǁĂƐĂƉĞƌŝŽĚŽĨŝŵŵĞŶƐĞƉĞƌƐŽŶĂůƚƌĂŶƐŝƟŽŶŝŶŵLJůŝĨĞ͘ 
8772,7,9,Page 10,,,"To put this period, mid-ϮϬϬϰ͕ŝŶƚŽƉĞƌƐƉĞĐƟǀĞ͕/ǁĂƐƉƌĞƉĂƌŝŶŐƚŽĮŶĂůůLJƌĞƟƌĞĨƌŽŵ'ĂƚĞǁĂLJ ĂŌĞƌƌĞƚƵƌŶŝŶŐƚŽƚŚĞKƌŽůĞƚŽƐĂǀĞƚŚĞĐŽŵƉĂŶLJ/ŚĂĚĨŽƵŶĚĞĚ͘  /ǁĂƐƐĞƉĂƌĂƟŶŐĨƌŽŵŵLJǁŝĨĞ ĂŶĚƚŚĞŵŽƚŚĞƌŽĨŵLJĐŚŝůĚƌĞŶ͕ĂŶĚ/ǁĂƐƐƟůůŐƌŝĞǀŝŶŐƚŚĞƵŶĞdžƉĞĐƚĞĚůŽƐƐŽĨŵLJĨĂƚŚĞƌŝŶƵŐƵƐƚ 2003. /ĐĂŶƐĂLJƵŶĞƋƵŝǀŽĐĂůůLJƚŚĂƚŝĨ/ŬŶĞǁƚŚĞŶǁŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁŶŽǁĂďŽƵƚDƐ͘ Maxwell, I never ǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĨƌŝĞŶĚĞĚŚĞƌŽƌĂůůŽǁĞĚŚĞƌƚŽďĞĂƌŽƵŶĚŵLJĨŽƵƌĐŚŝůĚƌĞŶ͕ƚŚƌĞĞŽĨǁŚŽŵĂƌĞŐŝƌůƐĂŶĚ ǁŚŽ͕ĂƚƚŚĂƚƉŽŝŶƚ͕ƌĂŶŐĞĚŝŶĂŐĞĨƌŽŵϴƚŽϭϰ͘  /ŶĞǀĞƌǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞƐƉĞŶƚϲLJĞĂƌƐŝŶĂƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚŚĞƌ͘  ƵƚǁŚĞŶ/ůŽŽŬďĂĐŬĂƚƚŚĂƚƉĞƌŝŽĚƚŽĚĂLJŝŶƌĞƐƉŽŶƐĞƚŽLJŽƵƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐ͕/ĐĂŶŽŶůLJƐƉĞĂŬƚŽ ǁŚĂƚ/ŬŶĞǁĂŶĚǁŚĂƚ/ƐĂǁĂƚƚŚĂƚƟŵĞ͘  dŚƌŽƵŐŚŽƵƚŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕/ůŝǀĞĚŝŶ^ĂŶ Diego, Ms. Maxwell lived in New zŽƌŬ͘  ƐƐƵĐŚ͕ ǁĞƐƉůŝƚŽƵƌƟŵĞďĞƚǁĞĞŶŽƵƌƌĞƐƉĞĐƟǀĞŚŽŵĞƐĂŶĚƚƌĂǀĞůĞĚƚŽŐĞƚŚĞƌďƵƚĂůƐŽƐƉĞŶƚĨƌĞƋƵĞŶƚ ƐƚƌĞƚĐŚĞƐŽĨƟŵĞĂƉĂƌƚ͘  I understand that she was employed by Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶĂƐĂƉƌŽƉĞƌƚLJŵĂŶĂŐĞƌŽĨƐŽƌƚƐ͕ďƵƚ/ simply did not have visibility into the details. And I avoided Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͕ďŽƚŚďĞĐĂƵƐĞ/ĨŽƵŶĚŚŝŵŽī-ƉƵƫŶŐ͕ďƵƚŵŽƐƚůLJďĞĐĂƵƐĞŚĞǁĂƐ ŵLJŐŝƌůĨƌŝĞŶĚΖƐĞdž-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͕ŶŽƚƐŽŵĞŽŶĞ/ǁĂƐĞĂŐĞƌƚŽƐƉĞŶĚƟŵĞǁŝƚŚ͘  KǀĞƌƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƐĞŽĨŵLJϲ-LJĞĂƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͕/ǁŽƵůĚĞƐƟŵĂƚĞƚŚĂƚ/ ŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƚĞĚǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶůĞƐƐƚŚĂŶĮǀĞƟŵĞƐ͕ĂŶĚĞĂĐŚŽĨƚŚŽƐĞǁĞƌĞǀĞƌLJďƌŝĞĨĂŶĚƵŶŝŶƚĞŶƟŽŶĂů͘  /ΖǀĞŶĞǀĞƌďĞĞŶŝŶƐŝĚĞĂŶLJŽĨŚŝƐŚŽŵĞƐ͕ŇŽǁŶŽŶŚŝƐĂŝƌƉůĂŶĞ͕ŽƌďĞĞŶƚŽŚŝƐŝƐůĂŶĚ͕ƉĞƌŝŽĚ͘  >ĂƐƚƟŵĞ/ƐƉŽŬĞƚŽDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůƐƵďƐƚĂŶƟǀĞůLJǁĂƐŝŶ^ĞƉƚĞŵďĞƌϮϬϭϬǁŚĞŶ/ĞŶĚĞĚŽƵƌ ƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞůĂƐƚƟŵĞ/ƐĂǁŚĞƌǁĂƐĂďŝƚůĂƚĞƌǁŚĞŶǁĞƵŶĞdžƉĞĐƚĞĚůLJƌĂŶŝŶƚŽĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌĂƚ ĂŶŽĐĞĂŶĐŽŶĨĞƌĞŶĐĞ͘  /ƐŚĂƌĞĂůůƚŚŝƐǁŝƚŚLJŽƵƚŽĚĂLJďĞĐĂƵƐĞ/ƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚƚŚŝƐĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞΖƐǁŽƌŬĚĞŵĂŶĚƐĐĂŶĚŽƌ͕ ĂŶĚ/ǁĂŶƚƚŽĚŽŵLJƉĂƌƚ͘  /ǁŝůůĂŶƐǁĞƌLJŽƵƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐƚŽƚŚĞďĞƐƚŽĨŵLJƌĞĐŽůůĞĐƟŽŶ͕ĂŶĚ/ŚŽƉĞŵLJ"
8773,7,10,Page 11,,,"ƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJŝƐŚĞůƉĨƵů͘  Ms. Cathey. dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͕Dƌ͘tĂŝƩ͘  dŝŵĞƌĞĂĚƐϭϬ͗ϭϮ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞŵĂũŽƌŝƚLJΖƐƟŵĞǁŝůůďĞŐŝŶŶŽǁ͘  EXAMINATION BY MS. CATHEY: Q dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵĂŐĂŝŶĨŽƌĂƉƉĞĂƌŝŶŐǀŽůƵŶƚĂƌŝůLJ͘  tĞĂƉƉƌĞĐŝĂƚĞLJŽƵďĞŝŶŐŚĞƌĞƚŽĚĂLJĂŶĚ LJŽƵƌƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJĂŶĚLJŽƵƌǁŝůůŝŶŐƚŽďĞƚƌƵƚŚĨƵůǁŝƚŚƵƐƚŽĚĂLJ͕ĂŶĚ/ũƵƐƚǁĂŶƚƚŽƐƚĂƌƚďƌŝĞŇLJǁŝƚŚƐŽŵĞ ƉƌĞůŝŵŝŶĂƌLJďĂĐŬŐƌŽƵŶĚ͘  zŽƵĚŝĚũƵƐƚũƵŵƉŝŶƚŽLJŽƵƌďĂĐŬŐƌŽƵŶĚĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚ͕ďƵƚƐƚĂƌƟŶŐŽīƐŝŵƉůLJ͕ǁŚĞƌĞĚŝĚLJŽƵŐŽƚŽ ƵŶĚĞƌŐƌĂĚƵĂƚĞƐĐŚŽŽů͍  A /ǁĞŶƚƚŽƵŶĚĞƌŐƌĂĚƵĂƚĞƐĐŚŽŽůďƌŝĞŇLJĂƚƚŚĞhŶŝǀĞƌƐŝƚLJŽĨŽůŽƌĂĚŽĂŶĚƚŚĞŶƚŚĞ hŶŝǀĞƌƐŝƚLJŽĨ/ŽǁĂ͘ Q ŶĚǁŚĂƚĚĞŐƌĞĞƐĚŝĚLJŽƵƌĞĐĞŝǀĞƚŚĞƌĞ͍  A /ĚŝĚŶŽƚƌĞĐĞŝǀĞĂĚĞŐƌĞĞ͘  Q ŶĚƚŚĞŶLJŽƵĂůƌĞĂĚLJũƵŵƉĞĚŝŶƚŽLJŽƵƌƉƌŽĨĞƐƐŝŽŶĂůĐĂƌĞĞƌ͕ďƵƚŝƐƚŚĞƌĞĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐƚŚĂƚ LJŽƵǁŽƵůĚůŝŬĞƚŽĂĚĚ͍  ƌŝĞŇLJǁĂůŬƵƐƚŚƌŽƵŐŚƚŚĞƐƚĂƌƟŶŐŽĨLJŽƵƌĐŽŵƉĂŶLJĂŶĚLJŽƵƌĨŽƵŶĚĂƟŽŶ͘  A /ůĞŌƚŚĞhŶŝǀĞƌƐŝƚLJŽĨ/ŽǁĂŝŶEŽǀĞŵďĞƌŽĨϭϵϴϰ͘  /ǁĞŶƚƚŽǁŽƌŬŝŶĂĐŽŵƉƵƚĞƌƐƚŽƌĞ in Des DŽŝŶĞƐ͕/ŽǁĂ͕ĨŽƌƌŽƵŐŚůLJϵŵŽŶƚŚƐ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞŶŝŶ^ĞƉƚĞŵďĞƌŽĨϭϵϴϱ͕/ŵŽǀĞĚďĂĐŬƚŽ Sioux ŝƚLJƚŽƐƚĂƌƚ'ĂƚĞǁĂLJǁŝƚŚŵLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͕DŝŬĞ,ĂŵŵŽŶĚ͘  Q zŽƵŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĮƌƐƚŵĞƚDƐ͘ Maxwell at the dinner in Hong <ŽŶŐǁŝƚŚƚŚĞ ůŝŶƚŽŶƐƉƌĞƐĞŶƚ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚĐŽƌƌĞĐƚ͍  A Yes. Q Yes. ŶĚƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŝŶϮϬϬϯ͕ĐŽƌƌĞĐƚ͍  A Yes."
8774,7,11,Page 12,,,"Q ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŵŽƌĞĂďŽƵƚǁŚĂƚƚŚŽƐĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐǁĞƌĞ͍  A Did you say -- ĞdžĐƵƐĞŵĞ-- did you say with the Clintons present or -- Q tĞƌĞƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐƉƌĞƐĞŶƚĂƚƚŚŝƐĚŝŶŶĞƌ͍  A At dinner, only Bill Clinton. Q KŶůLJWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚůŝŶƚŽŶ͘  dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  ŶĚƚŚŝƐǁĂƐŝŶϮϬϬϯ͍ A zĞƐ͕EŽǀĞŵďĞƌŽĨϮϬϬϯ͘  Q ƌĞƚŚĞƌĞĂŶLJĚĞƚĂŝůƐƚŚĂƚǁĞƌĞůĞŌŽƵƚŽĨLJŽƵƌŝŶŝƟĂůƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚƚŚĂƚLJŽƵǁŽƵůĚůŝŬĞƚŽ ĂĚĚƐƵƌƌŽƵŶĚŝŶŐƚŚĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐŽĨƚŚĂƚĞǀĞŶƚ͍  tŚŽŝŶǀŝƚĞĚLJŽƵƚŽƚŚĂƚĞǀĞŶƚ͕ĨŽƌĞdžĂŵƉůĞ͍  A I was invited to the event by Doug Band. Q ŶĚǁĞƌĞLJŽƵĐůŽƐĞǁŝƚŚŽƵŐ ĂŶĚ͍  A /ŬŶĞǁŽƵŐ͘  /ǁŽƵůĚŶΖƚƐĂLJǁĞΖƌĞ-- Q Did President ůŝŶƚŽŶŬŶŽǁLJŽƵΖĚďĞĂƩĞŶĚŝŶŐ͍  A /ǁŽƵůĚŶΖƚŚĂǀĞďĞĞŶƉƌŝǀLJƚŽƚŚĂƚŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶ͘  /ĂƐƐƵŵĞŽƵŐǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞƚŽůĚŚŝŵ͕ďƵƚ/ ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁƚŚĂƚĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘  Q And had never met Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůƉƌŝŽƌƚŽƚŚŝƐĚŝŶŶĞƌ͍ A No, I had not. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ tŚĂƚǁĂƐƚŚĞƉƵƌƉŽƐĞŽĨƚŚĞĞǀĞŶƚ͍ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ President ůŝŶƚŽŶǁĂƐƚƌĂǀĞůŝŶŐǁŝƚŚĂůĂƌŐĞĚĞůĞŐĂƟŽŶĂƌŽƵŶĚƐŝĂ͕ĂŶĚŝƚǁĂƐ ũƵƐƚĂĚŝŶŶĞƌ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ tĂƐŝƚĂĨƵŶĚƌĂŝƐĞƌ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ƚǁĂƐŶŽƚĂĨƵŶĚƌĂŝƐĞƌ͘  /ƚǁĂƐĂƚLJƉŝĐĂůůŝŶƚŽŶĚŝŶŶĞƌ͕ĂůŽƚŽĨƉĞŽƉůĞƚŚĞƌĞ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŝĚLJŽƵŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƚǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶĚƵƌŝŶŐƚŚĞĚŝŶŶĞƌ͍ A Yes. I was seated next to him."
8775,7,12,Page 13,,,"Q tŚĂƚŬŝŶĚŽĨĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐǁĞƌĞLJΖĂůůŚĂǀŝŶŐ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐ͘  /ƚǁĂƐ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ũƵƐƚĂƐŽĐŝĂůĚŝŶŶĞƌ͘  Q tŚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚLJŽƵƚŽDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĂƚƚŚĂƚĚŝŶŶĞƌ͍ A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĞdžĂĐƚůLJ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĞĮƌƐƚĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶLJŽƵŚĂĚǁŝƚŚŚĞƌ͍  A zĞƐ͘  /ƚǁĂƐůĂƚĞƌŽŶŝŶƚŚĂƚ͕ƐŚŽƌƚůLJďĞĨŽƌĞ/ůĞŌƚŚĞĚŝŶŶĞƌ͕/ďĞůŝĞǀĞ͘  BY MR. SPECTRE: Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůǁŚŽĞůƐĞǁĂƐĂƚƚŚĞƚĂďůĞǁŝƚŚLJŽƵĂŶĚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A dŚĞƌĞǁĂƐĂŶƵŵďĞƌŽĨ people. There was a very, very large group. There was quite ĂĨĞǁƉĞŽƉůĞ͘  /ƚǁĂƐĂǀĞƌLJƚLJƉŝĐĂůůŝŶƚŽŶĂīĂŝƌ͘  Q ƵƚŶĞŝƚŚĞƌDĂdžǁĞůůŶŽƌƉƐƚĞŝŶǁĞƌĞĂƚƚŚĞƚĂďůĞ͍ A No, they were both at the table. Q KŚ͕ƚŚĞLJǁĞƌĞ͍  A zĞƐ͘  zĞĂŚ͕/ŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚƚŚĂƚ in my -- Q KŬĂLJ͘  A -- in my opening statement. Sorry. Ms. Callen. Yeah. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ hŶĚĞƌƐƚŽŽĚ͘  dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŶĚƚŽĐůĂƌŝĨLJ͕ƚŚĂƚǁĂƐĂůƐŽƚŚĞĮƌƐƚƟŵĞLJŽƵŚĂĚŵĞƚDƌ͘ Epstein -- A Yes. Q -- ĂƚƚŚĂƚĚŝŶŶĞƌ͍  ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĞĮƌƐƚĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶLJŽƵŚĂĚǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĂůůLJƌĞĐĂůůŚĂǀŝŶŐĂĚŝƌĞĐƚĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚŚŝŵ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůǁŚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚLJŽƵƚŽDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍ "
8776,7,13,Page 14,,,"A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůů͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬ/ǁĂƐŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚǁŚĞŶ/ǁĂůŬĞĚŝŶ͘  /ǁĂůŬĞĚŝŶůĂƚĞ͘  dŚĞ ĚŝŶŶĞƌǁĂƐĂůƌĞĂĚLJŬŝŶĚŽĨŝŶƉƌŽŐƌĞƐƐ͘  /ǁĂƐ -- ƐŽ/ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĞdžĂĐƚůLJǁŚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚŵĞ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬ /ǁĂƐŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚƚŽƚŚĞŵ͕ƐŽ͘ Ms. Callen. ŶĚũƵƐƚƚŽĐůĂƌŝĨLJ͕Dƌ͘tĂŝƩĚŝĚŶŽƚƚƌĂǀĞů with the group͘  ,ĞƐŽƌƚŽĨŵĞƚƚŚĞ group there. Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yeah. Ms. Cathey. hŶĚĞƌƐƚŽŽĚ͕ƚŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q &ŽůůŽǁŝŶŐƚŚŝƐĚŝŶŶĞƌ͕ĚŝĚLJŽƵŐĞƚĂŶLJŬŝŶĚŽĨĐŽŶƚĂĐƚŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶĨƌŽŵDƐ͘ Maxwell, or ĚŝĚƚŚĂƚŚĂƉƉĞŶůĂƚĞƌŽŶ͍  A zĞƐ͕/ŐŽƚŚĞƌĐŽŶƚĂĐƚŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶĂƚƚŚĂƚĚŝŶŶĞƌ͘  Q ŶĚǁŚŽĂƐŬĞĚǁŚŽŽŶƚŚĞĮƌƐƚĚĂƚĞ͍  ,ŽǁǁĂƐƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉŝŶŝƟĂƚĞĚ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJ͘  ƚƐŽŵĞƉŽŝŶƚǁĞŚĂĚĂĚŝŶŶĞƌŝŶEĞǁ zŽƌŬ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌǁŚĞŶƚŚĂƚǁĂƐ͍  A /ďĞůŝĞǀĞƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŝŶĞĐĞŵďĞƌ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁƚŚĞLJĞĂƌ͍ A dŚĂƚǁĂƐĞĐĞŵďĞƌŽĨϮϬϬϯ͘  Q 2003. ƌŽĂĚůLJƐƉĞĂŬŝŶŐ͕ƚĂŬŝŶŐĂƐƚĞƉďĂĐŬ͕ŚŽǁǁŽƵůĚLJŽƵĐŚĂƌĂĐƚĞƌŝnjĞLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚ Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A ^ŚĞǁĂƐŵLJŐŝƌůĨƌŝĞŶĚ -- ƐƚĂƌƟŶŐŝŶϮϬϬϰ͘  Q /ŶϮϬϬϰ͍  A Yes. Q zŽƵĚŽŶΖƚĨĞĞůůŝŬĞLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉďĞŐĂŶŝŶϮϬϬϯƚŚĞŶ͍  A /ŵĞƚŚĞƌŝŶϮϬϬϯ͕ďƵƚŝƚďĞĐĂŵĞŵŽƌĞƐĞƌŝŽƵƐŝŶϮϬϬϰ͘ "
8777,7,14,Page 15,,,"Q ŝĚƚŚĞŶĂƚƵƌĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉĐŚĂŶŐĞŽǀĞƌƚŚĞLJĞĂƌƐ͍  A EŽƚƌĞĂůůLJ͘  dŚĞƌĞǁĞƌĞĂĨĞǁďƌĞĂŬƐĂĐŽƵƉůĞƟŵĞƐ͕ďƵƚŝƚǁĂƐ -- /ǁŽƵůĚŶΖƚƐĂLJŝƚ ĐŚĂŶŐĞĚƐŝŐŶŝĮĐĂŶƚůLJ͘  BY MR. SPECTRE: Q tŚĂƚǁĞƌĞƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶƐĨŽƌƚŚĞďƌĞĂŬƐ͍  A &ŽƌƚŚĞďƌĞĂŬ-ƵƉ͍  Q Yeah. A It was -- ŝƚǁĂƐƟŵĞ͘  /ŬŶĞǁ/ǁĂƐŶĞǀĞƌŐŽŝŶŐƚŽŵĂƌƌLJŚĞƌ͕ĂŶĚŝƚǁĂƐũƵƐƚŽŶĞŽĨ ƚŚŽƐĞƚŚŝŶŐƐ͘  /ǁĂƐŐĞƫŶŐƉƌĞƐƐƵƌĞĨƌŽŵŚĞƌĨƌŝĞŶĚƐŽĨ-- ŝƚǁĂƐũƵƐƚƟŵĞ͘  /ƚŚĂĚƌƵŶŝƚƐĐŽƵƌƐĞ͘  Q dŚĂƚƐŽƵŶĚƐůŝŬĞLJŽƵǁĞƌĞƚĂůŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚŝŶϮϬϭϬǁŚĞŶLJŽƵĞŶĚĞĚŝƚ͘  A Yes. Q ƵƚŝĨLJŽƵŚĂĚďƌĞĂŬƐŝŶďĞƚǁĞĞŶĚƵƌŝŶŐƚŚĞLJĞĂƌƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĚĂƚĞĚ͕ǁŚĂƚǁĞƌĞƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶ ĨŽƌƚŚŽƐĞ͍  A dŚĞƉƌŝŵĂƌLJƌĞĂƐŽŶǁĂƐ͕/ǁĂƐŐŽŝŶŐƚŚƌŽƵŐŚĂĚŝǀŽƌĐĞ͘  /ƚǁĂƐĂǀĞƌLJĞŵŽƟŽŶĂůƟŵĞ͘  /ǁĂƐƋƵŝƫŶŐŵLJũŽď͘  /ŚĂĚĨŽƵƌŬŝĚƐƚŚĂƚǁĞƌĞŵLJŶƵŵďĞƌ ϭƉƌŝŽƌŝƚLJ͘  /ŚĂĚĐƵƐƚŽĚLJŽĨƚŚĞŵĞǀĞƌLJ ŽƚŚĞƌǁĞĞŬ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŵLJďŝŐŐĞƐƚƉƌŝŽƌŝƚLJǁĂƐƚŽƐƉĞŶĚƟŵĞǁŝƚŚŵLJŬŝĚƐ͘  Q ^ŽŶŽƚŚŝŶŐƚŽĚŽǁŝƚŚƐƵƐƉŝĐŝŽŶƐƵƌƌŽƵŶĚŝŶŐ -- A No, no. Q -- DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐ͍  A No. BY MS. CATHEY: Q Was Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůƐŝŶŐůĞǁŚĞŶLJŽƵŵĞƚŚĞƌ͍  A Yes. Q ŶĚǁĂƐƐŚĞƐŝŶŐůĞǁŚĞŶLJŽƵǁĞŶƚŽŶƚŚĂƚĮƌƐƚĚĂƚĞŝŶϮϬϬϯ͍  A I believe so."
8778,7,15,Page 16,,,"Q Did you or Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌƉƌĞƐĞŶƚLJŽƵƌƐĞůĨĂƐĂĐŽƵƉůĞƚŽƚŚŽƐĞĂƌŽƵŶĚLJŽƵƉƌŝŽƌƚŽ ϮϬϬϯ͍  A No. ΀tĂŝƩDĂũŽƌŝƚLJdžŚŝďŝƚEŽ͘ϭ͘ ǁĂƐŵĂƌŬĞĚĨŽƌŝĚĞŶƟĮĐĂƟŽŶ͘΁ BY MS. CATHEY: Q /ΖĚůŝŬĞƚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞŶŽǁ -- and it will be passed out in a minute -- ǁŚĂƚǁŝůůďĞŵĂƌŬĞĚ ĂƐŵĂũŽƌŝƚLJĞdžŚŝďŝƚϭ͕ƚŚĞƚƌĂŶƐĐƌŝƉƚĨƌŽŵƚŚĞĚŝƌĞĐƚĞdžĂŵŝŶĂƟŽŶŽĨĂǁŽŵĂŶǁŚŽǁĞǁŝůůƌĞĨĞƌƚŽĂƐ Jane Doe. And that was -- ƐŚĞƉƌĞǀŝŽƵƐůLJǁŽƌŬĞĚĂƐĂůĞŐĂůĂƐƐŝƐƚĂŶƚĨŽƌ:͘ Epstein & Company, and then ůĂƚĞƌƐŚĞǁĂƐĞdžĞĐƵƟǀĞĂƐƐŝƐƚĂŶƚƚŽDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĨŽƌϲ years. dŚĞƚƌĂŶƐĐƌŝƉƚŝƐŵĂƌŬĞĚŽŶƚŚĞďŽƩŽŵĐŽƌŶĞƌŽĨƚŚĞƉĂŐĞƐ͕&dŶƵŵďĞƌĞŶĚŝŶŐŝŶϲϲϭϱ͕ĂŶĚ ǁĞΖůůďĞůŽŽŬŝŶŐĂƚƉĂŐĞϴϱŽĨƚŚĂƚƚƌĂŶƐĐƌŝƉƚ͕ǁŚŝĐŚǁŝůůďĞŵĂƌŬĞĚĂƚƚŚĞƚŽƉŽĨƚŚĞƉĂŐĞŝŶƚŚĞďůƵĞ numbers at the top, will be the page numbers. /ƚƐŚŽƵůĚĂĐƚƵĂůůLJďĞƚŚĞƐĞĐŽŶĚƉĂŐĞŝŶƚŚŝƐƉĂĐŬĞƚďĞŚŝŶĚƚŚĂƚĐŽǀĞƌƉĂŐĞ͘  dŚĞƌĞǁŝůůďĞ ΗϴϱΗĂƚƚŚĞƚŽƉŽĨ͕ŝƚƐŚŽƵůĚƐĂLJ͘  A KŚ͕ϴϱ͘  Q ŶĚǁĞΖůůďĞůŽŽŬŝŶŐĂƚůŝŶĞƐϳƚŚƌŽƵŐŚϭϯ͕ĂŶĚLJΖĂůůĐĂŶƚĂŬĞĂŵŽŵĞŶƚƚŽůŽŽŬĂƚƚŚĂƚ͕ ĂŶĚǁĞΖůůƉĂƵƐĞƚŚĞĐůŽĐŬ͕ĂŶĚLJŽƵĐĂŶůĞƚƵƐŬŶŽǁǁŚĞŶLJŽƵΖƌĞƌĞĂĚLJƚŽŵŽǀĞĨŽƌǁĂƌĚ͘ Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJ͘  zŽƵƐĂŝĚƉĂŐĞϴϱ͍  Ms. Cathey. /ƚƐŚŽƵůĚďĞĂƚƚŚĞƚŽƉ͕ůĂďĞůĞĚŝŶďůƵĞŝŶŬ͕ƉĂŐĞϴϱ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ΖŵŶŽƚƐĞĞŝŶŐƚŚĂƚ͘  Ms. Cathey. WĂŐĞϴϱŽĨϮϬϬĂŶĚ-- ŽŚ͕ŽŬĂLJ͘ Ms. Callen. tŚĂƚůŝŶĞ͍  Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ KŚ͕LJŽƵĨŽƵŶĚŝƚ͘ "
8779,7,16,Page 17,,,Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ KŚ͕ŵLJŶĂŵĞΖƐŚĞƌĞ͕ƐŽ ƚŚŝƐŝƐƉĂŐĞϴϱ͘  /ƚΖƐũƵƐƚŶŽƚůĂďĞůĞĚŝŶďůƵĞ͘ Ms. Cathey. /ĂƉŽůŽŐŝnjĞ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ It may have been -- Ms. Cathey. /ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚŝƐǁĂƐƉƌŝŶƚĞĚǁŝƚŚŵŽƌĞƉĂŐĞƐƚŚĂŶŝƐŶĞĐĞƐƐĂƌŝůLJ͘  ^ŽŝƚŝƐƉĂŐĞϴϱ͘  Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ /ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĞLJĨŽƵŶĚŝƚ͕LJĞĂŚ͘  /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJ͘  Ms. Cathey. /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJĂďŽƵƚƚŚĂƚ͘  Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ /ΖŵƚŚĞƉƌŽďůĞŵ͘  Ms. Cathey. ŶĚǁĞΖƌĞůŽŽŬŝŶŐĂƚůŝŶĞƐϳƚŚƌŽƵŐŚϭϯ͕ĂŶĚLJΖĂůůĐĂŶƚĂŬĞĂůŽŽŬĂƚƚŚĂƚĂŶĚůĞƚ ƵƐŬŶŽǁǁŚĞŶLJŽƵΖƌĞƌĞĂĚLJƚŽŵŽǀĞŽŶ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ΖŵƌĞĂĚLJ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q So Ms. ŽĞĐůĂŝŵƐŝŶƚŚŝƐƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĂŶĚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůďĞŐĂŶƐĞĞŝŶŐĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌ ĂƐĂĐŽƵƉůĞŝŶϮϬϬϭŽƌϮϬϬϮ͕ǁŚŝĐŚŝƐƌŝŐŚƚďĞĨŽƌĞƐŚĞƐƚŽƉƉĞĚǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌDƐ͘ Maxwell. ŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƌĞĂƐŽŶƚŽŬŶŽǁǁŚLJDƐ͘ ŽĞŝƐĂĐĐƵƌĂƚĞŝŶƚŚŝƐƟŵĞůŝŶĞ͍  ^ŚĞƐĞĞŵƐƚŽ ĐůĂŝŵƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŬŶĞǁĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌĂŶĚǁĞƌĞĚĂƟŶŐϮϬϬϭŽƌϮϬϬϮ͘  A I do not. Q ^ŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞŶŽƌĞĂƐŽŶƚŽƐƵƐƉĞĐƚƚŚĂƚĂŶLJŽŶĞǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞƚŚŽƵŐŚƚƚŚĞƚǁŽŽĨLJŽƵǁĞƌĞĂ ĐŽƵƉůĞďĞĨŽƌĞƚŚĂƚ͍  A ŽƵůĚLJŽƵĐůĂƌŝĨLJ͍  /ĚŝĚŶŽƚŵĞĞƚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůƵŶƟůEŽǀĞŵďĞƌϮϬϬϯ͘  Q Understood. Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůĂůƐŽƚĞƐƟĮĞĚŝŶŚĞƌK:ƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŵĞƚŝŶϮϬϬϯ͕ďƵƚƐŚĞƐĂŝĚƚŚĂƚƐŚĞ ĐŽƵůĚŶΖƚƋƵŝƚĞƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌ͘  ^ŽŝƐƚŚĞƌĞĂŶLJƌĞĂƐŽŶƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĐŽƵůĚƐƵƌŵŝƐĞŽĨǁŚLJŚĞƌĂƐƐŝƐƚĂŶƚǁŽƵůĚ ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĂƚLJŽƵƚǁŽŚĂĚŬŶŽǁŶĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌŽƌǁĞƌĞƐĞĞŝŶŐĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌŽƌǁĞƌĞĂƐƐŽĐŝĂƚĞĚƉƌŝŽƌƚŽ ϮϬϬϯ͍  A /ĚŽŶŽƚŬŶŽǁ͘ 
8780,7,17,Page 18,,,"Q ,ŽǁůŽŶŐǁĞƌĞLJŽƵŝŶĂƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͕ĨŽƌƚŚĞĐůĂƌŝƚLJŽĨƚŚĞ ƌĞĐŽƌĚ͍  A &ƌŽŵĞĂƌůLJϮϬϬϰƚŚƌŽƵŐŚ^ĞƉƚĞŵďĞƌϮϬϭϬ͘  Q September. ŶĚLJŽƵŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚƚŚŝƐĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŝŶLJŽƵƌŽƉĞŶŝŶŐƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚ͕ďƵƚŚŽǁĨƌĞƋƵĞŶƚůLJĚŝĚLJŽƵƐĞĞ ĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌƚŚƌŽƵŐŚƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƐĞŽĨƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͍  A It was primarily every other -- ĞǀĞƌLJŽƚŚĞƌǁĞĞŬ͘  /ƚǁĂƐŶΖƚĐŽŶƐŝƐƚĞŶƚĞǀĞƌLJŽƚŚĞƌ ǁĞĞŬ͕ďƵƚŵŽƐƚůLJ͘  Q ŶĚLJŽƵƐĂŝĚLJŽƵůŝǀĞĚĨĂƌĂƉĂƌƚĨƌŽŵĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌ͍  A Yes. Q ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌƐŚĂƌĞĂƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A EŽ͘  /ĚŝĚƐƉĞŶĚĂůŽƚŽĨƟŵĞĂƚŚĞƌƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞŝŶEĞǁ zŽƌŬ͕ĂŶĚƐŚĞƐƉĞŶƚƟŵĞůĂƚĞƌŝŶ ŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕ĂŌĞƌƐŚĞŐŽƚƚŽŬŶŽǁŵLJĐŚŝůĚƌĞŶ͕ĂƚŵLJƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞŝŶ>Ă Jolla. Q tŚĂƚǁĂƐƚŚĞĂĚĚƌĞƐƐŽĨŚĞƌƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞŝŶEĞǁ zŽƌŬƚŚĂƚLJŽƵƐĂŝĚLJŽƵƐƉĞŶƚƟŵĞĂƚ͍ A ϭϭϲĂƐƚϲϱƚŚ^ƚƌĞĞƚ͘  Ms. Callen. ƌĞǁĞĮŶŝƐŚĞĚǁŝƚŚƚŚŝƐ͍  Ms. Cathey. zĞƐ͘  zŽƵĐĂŶƉƵƚƚŚĂƚĂƐŝĚĞ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŽǁŶƚŚŝƐƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞ͍  A /ĚŽŶŽƚŬŶŽǁ͘ Q Did anyone -- A She told me she did. Q ŝĚĂŶLJŽŶĞĞůƐĞĞǀĞƌƐƚĂLJĂƚƚŚĂƚƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞ͍  A She had a -- ƐŽŵĞƐƚĂīƚŚĂƚůŝǀĞĚƚŚĞƌĞ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůǁŚŽƚŚĞƐĞƐƚĂīǁĞƌĞ͍ "
8781,7,18,Page 19,,,"A Yes. Ms. Callen. ĂŶǁĞŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚĨŽƌũƵƐƚĂŵŽŵĞŶƚ͍  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ tĞĐĂŶŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  Ms. Cathey. tĞĐĂŶŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  ΀ŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘΁ Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽďĂĐŬŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŝĚĂŶLJŽŶĞĞůƐĞĞǀĞƌƐƚĂLJŝŶƚŚĞƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞƚŚĂƚDƐ͘ Maxwell owned in New zŽƌŬ͍  A ^ŚĞŚĂĚĂƐƚĂīĐŽƵƉůĞǁŚŽůŝǀĞĚŝŶƚŚĞďĂƐĞŵĞŶƚǁŝƚŚƚŚĞŝƌƐŽŶ͘  Q ŶĚLJŽƵŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚƚŚĂƚŽƚŚĞƌƉĂƌƚƐŽĨƚŚĞƟŵĞƚŚĞLJǁĞƌĞƐƚĂLJŝŶŐŝŶLJŽƵƌƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞ͘  tŚĞƌĞǁĂƐƚŚĂƚůŽĐĂƚĞĚ͍  A In -- ƐŚĞǁĂƐƐƚĂLJŝŶŐƚŚĞƌĞ͍  Q zĞƐ͕ĐŽƌƌĞĐƚ͘  A zĞƐ͕ƚŚĂƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞ-- ƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŶΖƚƵŶƟůůĂƚĞƌŝŶŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĂƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶ ŝŶ>Ă:ŽůůĂ͕ĂůŝĨŽƌŶŝĂ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵĞƐƟŵĂƚĞƚŚĞLJĞĂƌƐƚŚĂƚƐŚĞƐƚĂƌƚĞĚƚŽƐƚĂLJĂƚLJŽƵƌƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ͍  A WƌŽďĂďůLJŶŽƚƟůů -- /ΖŵŐƵĞƐƐŝŶŐ͕ϮϬϬϳŵĂLJďĞ͕ΖϬϲ͕ΖϬϳ͘  Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŚĂǀĞĂƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚĂŶLJŽŶĞĞůƐĞŝŶLJŽƵƌĨĂŵŝůLJ͍  Ms. Callen. ĂŶǁĞŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͍  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ tĞĐĂŶŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  Ms. Cathey. tĞĐĂŶŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘ ΀ŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘΁ Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽďĂĐŬŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ KŬĂLJ͘  Ms. Callen. Wait, hang on, hang on --"
8782,7,19,Page 20,,,Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ KĨĐŽƵƌƐĞ͘ Ms. Callen. -- ƚǁŽƐĞĐŽŶĚƐ͘ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ĂƉŽůŽŐŝnjĞ͘  Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘ ΀ŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘΁ Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽďĂĐŬŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  Ms. Cathey. Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŚĂǀĞĂƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚĂŶLJŽŶĞĞůƐĞŝŶLJŽƵƌĨĂŵŝůLJ͍ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ zĞƐ͕ƐŚĞŚĂĚĂĐůŽƐĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚŵLJĨŽƵƌĐŚŝůĚƌĞŶ͕ĂŶĚƐŚĞŵĞƚǀŝƌƚƵĂůůLJ ĞǀĞƌLJŽŶĞŝŶŵLJŝŵŵĞĚŝĂƚĞĨĂŵŝůLJ͘  Ms. Cathey. Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůƐƚĂLJŝŶĐŽŶƚĂĐƚǁŝƚŚLJŽƵƌĐŚŝůĚƌĞŶĂŌĞƌƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ ĞŶĚĞĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁŽĨ͘  /ĚŽďĞůŝĞǀĞŵLJĚĂƵŐŚƚĞƌŵŝůLJƐĂǁŚĞƌŝŶĂŶĂŝƌƉŽƌƚŽŶĐĞ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ŝĚĂŶLJŽŶĞĞůƐĞŝŶLJŽƵƌĨĂŵŝůLJƐƚĂLJŝŶƚŽƵĐŚǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĂŌĞƌLJŽƵƌ ƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉĞŶĚĞĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. Ms. Callen. /ƚŚŝŶŬŚĞĂŶƐǁĞƌĞĚƚŚĂƚ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q tĞΖƌĞŐŽŝŶŐƚŽƐǁŝƚĐŚŐĞĂƌƐĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚ͕ĂŶĚǁĞΖƌĞŐŽŝŶŐƚŽƚƵƌŶƚŽDƌ͘ Epstein. You ƚĂůŬĞĚĂďŽƵƚŚŽǁLJŽƵŵĞƚDƌ͘ Epstein at the dinner. tŚĂƚǁĂƐLJŽƵƌĮƌƐƚŝŵƉƌĞƐƐŝŽŶŽĨDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A /ĨŽƵŶĚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶƐŽŵĞǁŚĂƚĂƌƌŽŐĂŶƚ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĂůůLJƌĞĐĂůů͘  >ŝŬĞ/ƐĂŝĚŝŶŵLJ ŽƉĞŶŝŶŐƐƚĂƚĞŵĞŶƚ͕ŚĞǁĂƐŽī-ƉƵƫŶŐƐŽŵĞǁŚĂƚ͘  /ĚŝĚŶΖƚƌĞĂůůLJƉĂLJƐŝŐŶŝĮĐĂŶƚĂƩĞŶƟŽŶƚŽŝƚƚŚĂƚ ŵƵĐŚ͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵŬŶŽǁĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚŚŝŵƉƌŝŽƌƚŽŵĞĞƟŶŐŚŝŵ͍
8783,7,20,Page 21,,,A No. Mr. Grant. ŶĚLJŽƵƐĂŝĚLJŽƵƚŚŽƵŐŚƚŚĞǁĂƐŽī-ƉƵƫŶŐ͘  tŚĂƚŵĂĚĞLJŽƵƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĂƚŚĞ ǁĂƐŽī-ƉƵƫŶŐ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ƚǁĂƐũƵƐƚ -- ǁĞůů͕ŚĞǁĂƐŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚƚŽŵĞĂƐ͕ƚŚĞLJǁĞƌĞŇLJŝŶŐŽŶŚŝƐƉůĂŶĞ͕ƚŚĞ ĚĞůĞŐĂƟŽŶ͕ƚŚĞŐƌŽƵƉ͕ŽŶĂƚŽƵƌƚŚƌŽƵŐŚƐŝĂ͘  /ƚũƵƐƚ -- /ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĞǁĂLJŚĞĐĂƌƌŝĞĚŚŝŵƐĞůĨĂŶĚĂĨĞǁ ĐŽŵŵĞŶƚƐ͘  /ƚǁĂƐĂŐƌŽƵƉ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŚĂǀŝŶŐĂŽŶĞ-on-ŽŶĞĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚŚŝŵ͘  /ƚǁĂƐũƵƐƚ ŬŝŶĚŽĨĂůĂƌŐĞŐƌŽƵƉƚŚĞƌĞ͘  zŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ƚŚĞƚĂďůĞŝƐƉƌŽďĂďůLJƚŚŝƐƐŝnjĞ͘  Mr. Grant. ŶĚǁŽƵůĚLJŽƵƐĂLJŝƚǁĂƐƌŽƵŐŚůLJƚŚĞƐĂŵĞĨĞĞůŝŶŐĂƐƚŽǁŚLJLJŽƵƚŚŽƵŐŚƚŚĞǁĂƐ ĂƌƌŽŐĂŶƚĂƐǁĞůů͍  Ms. Callen. ŽLJŽƵǁĂŶƚƚŽĐůĂƌŝĨLJƚŚĂƚƋƵĞƐƟŽŶĂďŝƚ͍  Mr. Grant. Yes. ^ŽLJŽƵƐĂŝĚŚĞǁĂƐŽī-ƉƵƫŶŐĂŶĚĂƌƌŽŐĂŶƚ͘  zŽƵũƵƐƚĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĚǁŚĂƚŵĂĚĞŚŝŵƐĞĞŵ Žī-ƉƵƫŶŐ͘  tŽƵůĚƚŚĂƚƐĂŵĞĚĞƐĐƌŝƉƟŽŶĮƚĨŽƌǁŚLJLJŽƵƚŚŽƵŐŚƚŚĞǁĂƐĂƌƌŽŐĂŶƚĂƐǁĞůů͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ zĞĂŚ͕ũƵƐƚŬŝŶĚŽĨƚŚĞǁĂLJŚĞĐĂƌƌŝĞĚŚŝŵƐĞůĨ͕ŵĂLJďĞ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q Did Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶŚĂǀĞĂƌĞƉƵƚĂƟŽŶĂŵŽŶŐƐƚƚŚĞŽƚŚĞƌƉĞŽƉůĞƚŚĂƚǁĞƌĞƚŚĞƌĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵ ŚĂĚŚĞĂƌĚĂďŽƵƚ͍  A No. Q Was Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶĂǁĂƌĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ Maxwell while you were ĚĂƟŶŐŚĞƌ͍  A Yes. Q When did Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶďĞĐŽŵĞĂǁĂƌĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͍  A /ĚŽŶŽƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŚŽǁŚĞďĞĐĂŵĞĂǁĂƌĞŽĨŝƚ͍
8784,7,21,Page 22,,,"A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ,ŽǁĚŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŚĞǁĂƐĂǁĂƌĞŽĨƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉƚŚĞŶ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ I did meet with him at one point in Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞĞĂƌůLJŝŶŽƵƌ ƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͘  Ms. Cathey. ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞ -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ At his request. Ms. Cathey. dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞŵŽƌĞĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐŽĨƚŚĂƚŵĞĞƟŶŐĂŶĚŚŽǁƚŚĂƚĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶ ǁĞŶƚ͍ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐŚŽƐƟŶŐĂĚŝŶŶĞƌĞǀĞŶƚ͘  tĞǁĞƌĞŐĞƫŶŐƌĞĂĚLJ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞŶƐŚĞ ĂŶŶŽƵŶĐĞĚƚŚĂƚ:ĞīƌĞLJǁĂŶƚĞĚƚŽŵĞĞƚŵĞĂŶĚǁŽƵůĚďĞƚŚĞƌĞƐŚŽƌƚůLJ͘  ŶĚŚĞŬŝŶĚŽĨĂƉƉĞĂƌĞĚ͘  /ƚǁĂƐƋƵŝƚĞŽĚĚ͕/ĨĞůƚ͕ĂŶĚƵŶĐŽŵĨŽƌƚĂďůĞƐŝŶĐĞŚĞǁĂƐŚĞƌĞdž-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͘  Ms. Cathey. ŝĚƐŚĞŐŝǀĞLJŽƵĂŶLJŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶĂďŽƵƚŚŝŵŝŶƉƌĞƉĂƌĂƟŽŶĨŽƌŵĞĞƟŶŐŚŝŵ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Not -- not really. BY MR. SPECTRE: Q ^ŽLJŽƵŬŶĞǁƚŚĂƚŚĞǁĂƐŚĞƌĞdž-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͘  ^ŽǁĂƐƚŚĂƚĨƌŽŵĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƚŚĂƚLJŽƵ had with Ms. Maxwell -- A Yes. Q -- ŽƌǁŝƚŚƐŽŵĞŽŶĞĞůƐĞ͍  A Yes. Q tŝƚŚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůů͍ A Yes. Q tŚĂƚĚŝĚƐŚĞƚĞůůLJŽƵĂďŽƵƚŚŝŵ͍  A ^ŚĞƚŽůĚŵĞƚŚĂƚŚĞǁĂƐĂ͕ůŝŬĞ͕ĂďƌŝůůŝĂŶƚŝŶǀĞƐƚŽƌ͕ŵŽŶĞLJŵĂŶĂŐĞƌ͘  Q ^ŽƐŚĞŽŶůLJƚŽůĚLJŽƵƉŽƐŝƟǀĞƚŚŝŶŐƐĂďŽƵƚŚĞƌĞdž-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͍ "
8785,7,22,Page 23,,,A zĞƐ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĂƚƚŚĞLJĞŶĚĞĚƚŚĞŝƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬŝƚǁĂƐ͕ŽŶŚĞƌϰϬƚŚďŝƌƚŚĚĂLJ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q zŽƵŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚƚŚŝƐďƌŝĞŇLJĞĂƌůŝĞƌ͕ďƵƚŚŽǁŽŌĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵƐĞĞŽƌŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƚǁŝƚŚ Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶƚŚƌŽƵŐŚƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƐĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͍ A dŚĞƌĞǁĂƐŽŶůLJƚǁŽŽƚŚĞƌƟŵĞƐĂŌĞƌƚŚĂƚŵĞĞƟŶŐĂƚƚŚĞϲϱƚŚ^ƚƌĞĞƚƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞ͕ĂŶĚ ƚŚŽƐĞǁĞƌĞďŽƚŚůŝƚĞƌĂůůLJƌƵŶŶŝŶŐŝŶƚŽŚŝŵ͕ůŝŬĞ͕ŽŶƚŚĞƐƚƌĞĞƚ͘  Q dŚĞƐĞǁĞƌĞďƌŝĞĨĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐƚŚĞŶ͍  A sĞƌLJďƌŝĞĨ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵŚĂƉƉĞŶƚŽŬŶŽǁǁŚĂƚLJŽƵǁĞƌĞƚĂůŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚǁŝƚŚŚŝŵ͍  A EŽ͕/ĚŽŶŽƚƌĞĐĂůů͘  BY MR. SPECTRE: Q tĂƐŚĞƉĂƌƟĐƵůĂƌůLJŝŶƚĞƌĞƐƚĞĚŝŶLJŽƵƌďƵƐŝŶĞƐƐŽƌĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĞůƐĞ͍  A dŚĞŵĞĞƟŶŐĂƚϲϱƚŚ^ƚƌĞĞƚ͕ŚĞĂƐŬĞĚĂůŽƚĂďŽƵƚǁŚĂƚ/ǁĂƐŝŶǀĞƐƟŶŐŝŶĂŶĚ those -- ƚŚĂƚƚLJƉĞŽĨƚŚŝŶŐ͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵŐĞƚƚŚĞŝŵƉƌĞƐƐŝŽŶƚŚĂƚŚĞǁĂƐĂŌĞƌŝŶĨŽƌŵĂƟŽŶĂďŽƵƚLJŽƵƌĐŽŵƉĂŶLJ ƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJ͍  A I -- ŝƚǁĂƐƋƵŝƚĞŽĚĚ͘  /ĐŽƵůĚŶΖƚƌĞĂůůLJĮŐƵƌĞŝƚŽƵƚĨƌĂŶŬůLJ͘  Q ^Ž͕ŶŽ͕LJŽƵǁĞƌĞũƵƐƚƵŶĐůĞĂƌŽŶǁŚLJŚĞǁĂƐĂƐŬŝŶŐŽƌǁŚĂƚŚĞǁĂƐĂƐŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚ͍  A zĞĂŚ͘  /ŐŽƚŵŽƌĞŽĨƚŚĞƐĞŶƐĞŚĞǁĂƐĨĞĞůŝŶŐŵĞŽƵƚ͘  Q /ŶƌĞƚƌŽƐƉĞĐƚ͕ĚŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJŝĚĞĂǁŚĂƚƚŚĂƚŵŝŐŚƚΖǀĞďĞĞŶĂďŽƵƚ͍ A No. Ms. Cathey. Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌĞdžƉƌĞƐƐĐŽŶĐĞƌŶƐƚŚĂƚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶǁŽƵůĚŚĂǀĞĂŶĞŐĂƟǀĞ ƌĞĂĐƟŽŶƚŽƚŚĞƚǁŽŽĨLJŽƵĚĂƟŶŐ͍ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. Ms. Cathey. ŝĚƚŚĞŶĂƚƵƌĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶĐŚĂŶŐĞĂƚĂŶLJƉŽŝŶƚǁŚŝůĞ
8786,7,23,Page 24,,,LJŽƵǁĞƌĞĚĂƟŶŐDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ EŽ͕/ŶĞǀĞƌƌĞĂůůLJŚĂĚĂƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ Epstein. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌĐŽŵŵƵŶŝĐĂƚĞǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ Epstein over the phone or email or anything -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ -- besides the in-ƉĞƌƐŽŶŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƟŽŶƐLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. Ms. Cathey. Did you -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁŽĨ͘  ^ŽƌƌLJ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŽƵůĚLJŽƵƉůĞĂƐĞŐŽŝŶƚŽĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŵŽƌĞĚĞƚĂŝůĂďŽƵƚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐŽĐĐƵƉĂƟŽŶ͍  A ^ƵƌĞ͘  ŶĚ/ΖůůƚƌLJƚŽƐƉĞĂŬƵƉĨŽƌƚŚŽƐĞŝŶƚŚĞďĂĐŬ͘  ^ŽƐŚĞ -- /ĐĂŶŽŶůLJŐŽďĂƐĞĚŽŶ what she told me. So she told me she was -- ĂŌĞƌƚŚĞƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ Epstein ĞŶĚĞĚ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ƉƌŝŽƌƚŽƚŚĂƚ͕ƐŚĞŚĂĚŵĂŶĂŐĞĚŚŝƐƉƌŽƉĞƌƟĞƐĂŶĚŚŝƐƐƚĂīĂŶĚ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ĂĐƚĞĚ ůŝŬĞ͕ŬŝŶĚŽĨ͕ĂǁŝĨĞǁŽƵůĚ͘  ^ŚĞƚŚĞŶƚƌĂŶƐŝƟŽŶĞĚƚŽĂŶĞŵƉůŽLJĞĞƐƚĂƚƵƐĂƐĂŶĞƐƚĂƚĞŵĂŶĂŐĞƌ͘  ŌĞƌǁĞďĞŐĂŶĚĂƟŶŐ͕ ƐŚĞŵŝŶŝŵŝnjĞĚƚŚŽƐĞĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐĂŶĚǁĂƐŵŽǀŝŶŐŽƵƚŽĨƚŚĂƚ -- ŽƵƚŽĨƚŚĂƚƌŽůĞ͘  ŶĚƐŚĞǁĂƐĂůǁĂLJƐďƵƐLJŝŶǀĞƐƟŶŐŝŶŽƚŚĞƌƚŚŝŶŐƐ͕ƐŵĂůůďƵƐŝŶĞƐƐĞƐ͘  ^ŚĞǁĂƐǀĞƌLJ ĞŶƚƌĞƉƌĞŶĞƵƌŝĂů͘  ŶĚ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ƐŚĞĐůĂŝŵƐƐŚĞƉĂŝĚĨŽƌŚĞƌƌĞƐŝĚĞŶĐĞǁŝƚŚƐŽŵĞŝŶƚĞƌŶĞƚ investment. Q ŽƵƉůĞƚŚŝŶŐƐƚŽĨŽůůŽǁ-ƵƉŽŶƚŚĞƌĞ͕ďƵƚĮƌƐƚ͕ƐŽƐŚĞǁĂƐƐƟůůĞŵƉůŽLJĞĚďLJDƌ͘ Epstein ǁŚŝůĞLJŽƵǁĞƌĞĚĂƟŶŐ͘  ĂŶLJŽƵĐůĂƌŝĨLJƚŚĞƟŵĞĨƌĂŵĞŽĨƚŚĂƚ͍  tŚĞŶĚŝĚƐŚĞƐƚŽƉǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌ Epstein or -- ĞdžĐƵƐĞŵĞ͘  >ĞƚŵĞƌĞƉŚƌĂƐĞ͘  ŝĚƐŚĞĞǀĞƌƐƚŽƉǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶǁŚŝůĞLJŽƵǁĞƌĞƚŽŐĞƚŚĞƌ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁƚŚĂƚĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘ 
8787,7,24,Page 25,,,Q ƵƚLJŽƵƐĂŝĚƐŚĞĐƵƚďĂĐŬŚĞƌƟŵĞǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌŚŝŵ͍  A dŚĂƚΖƐǁŚĂƚƐŚĞƚŽůĚŵĞ͘  Q tĞůů͕LJŽƵĚŝĚŶΖƚŬŶŽǁƚŚĂƚĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͍ A /ĚŝĚŶΖƚŬŶŽǁƚŚĂƚĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘  Q ĞĐĂƵƐĞLJŽƵĚŝĚůŝǀĞŝŶĚŝīĞƌĞŶƚĐŝƟĞƐĂŶĚ -- A ΀EŽǀĞƌďĂůƌĞƐƉŽŶƐĞ͘΁  Q ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŚŽǁŽŌĞŶƐŚĞǁĂƐŐŽŝŶŐŝŶƚŽƚŚĞŽĸĐĞ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŚŽǁŽŌĞŶƐŚĞǁĂƐĐŽŵŵƵŶŝĐĂƟŶŐǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶŽŶĂĚĂŝůLJďĂƐŝƐ͍ A I ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q Did you ever visit Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůĂƚƚŚĞŽĸĐĞǁŚĞƌĞƐŚĞǁŽƌŬĞĚĨŽƌDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A EŽ͕ŶŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q ŝĚƐŚĞĞǀĞƌƚĂůŬƚŽLJŽƵĂďŽƵƚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶŝŶƚŚĞĐŽŶƚĞdžƚŽĨďĞŝŶŐŚĞƌĞŵƉůŽLJĞƌ͍  A EŽƚŝŶƚŚĂƚĐŽŶƚĞdžƚ͘  Q ^ŚĞŶĞǀĞƌĐŽŵƉůĂŝŶĞĚĂďŽƵƚǁŽƌŬ͍  A EŽ͘  EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘  Q ^ŚĞĚŝĚŶΖƚĐŽŵƉůĂŝŶĂďŽƵƚĂŶLJĂƐƉĞĐƚŽĨŚĞƌũŽď͕ĞǀĞŶƚŚŝŶŐƐƚŚĂƚŵĂLJďĞǁĞƌĞƵŶƌĞůĂƚĞĚ to Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A ^ŚĞĚŝĚŶΖƚŐŽŝŶƚŽĂůŽƚŽĨĚĞƚĂŝůƐĂďŽƵƚŝƚ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ zŽƵĚŝĚŶΖƚŚĂǀĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐĨŽƌŚĞƌ ŐŝǀĞŶƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐǁŽƌŬŝŶŐ -- you were ĚĂƟŶŐƐŽŵĞŽŶĞƚŚĂƚǁĂƐǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌŚĞƌĞdž-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͍  zŽƵĚŝĚŶΖƚŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐĂďŽƵƚƚŚĂƚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ǁĂƐƵŶĚĞƌƚŚĞŝŵƉƌĞƐƐŝŽŶƚŚĂƚƐŚĞŵŽǀĞĚŽŶĨƌŽŵƚŚĂƚ͘  ^ŚĞƚĂůŬĞĚĂůŽƚ ĂďŽƵƚŝŶǀĞƐƚŵĞŶƚŝĚĞĂƐƚŚĂƚƐŚĞŚĂĚĂŶĚŽƚŚĞƌĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐ͕ďƵƚǀĞƌLJůŝƩůĞĂďŽƵƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJ ĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐĂďŽƵƚĂŶLJĚĂLJ-to-ĚĂLJĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐĂīĂŝƌƐ͘  Ms. Cathey. zŽƵǁĞƌĞŚĞƌďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚĨŽƌϳLJĞĂƌƐ͘  ^ŽŝŶLJŽƵƌŽƉŝŶŝŽŶ͕ƚŚĞƚŚŝŶŐƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵ
8788,7,25,Page 26,,,"observed, did Mr. Epstein ever manipulate Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŝŶƚŽĐŽŶƟŶƵŝŶŐǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌŚŝŵ͍ Ms. Callen. /ĨLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶŽƉŝŶŝŽŶ͘ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ zĞĂŚ͕LJŽƵΖƌĞĂƐŬŝŶŐŵĞƚŽŐŝǀĞĂŶŽƉŝŶŝŽŶ͘  Ms. Cathey. I am. As a long-ƚĞƌŵďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚĂŶĚǁŚĂƚLJŽƵŽďƐĞƌǀĞĚĂďŽƵƚŚĞƌ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ĐŽƵůĚƐƵŵŝƚƵƉƚŽƐĂLJ͕ŚĞƐĞĞŵĞĚůŝŬĞƚŚĞƌĞǁĂƐĂƉƌĞƐĞŶĐĞ͕ǁĂƐĂůǁĂLJƐƚŚĞƌĞ͘  Ms. Cathey. ŽLJŽƵĨĞĞůůŝŬĞƚŚĂƚǁĂƐĂĐŽŶƐĞƋƵĞŶĐĞŽĨƚŚĞĨĂĐƚƚŚĂƚƚŚĞLJƵƐĞĚƚŽĚĂƚĞ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ŝĚŝƚƐĞĞŵůŝŬĞDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶŬŶĞǁƐŽŵĞƚŚŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚDƐ͘ Maxwell that she was ĂĨƌĂŝĚĂďŽƵƚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ I never got that impression. BY MS. CATHEY: Q Did Mr. Epstein abuse Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A ŐĂŝŶ͕/ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  /ŶĞǀĞƌ/ŶĞǀĞƌǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞǁŝƚŶĞƐƐĞĚĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĚŝƌĞĐƚůLJ͘  Q Did Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶĞǀĞƌĂƐŬŚĞƌ͕ĐŽĞƌĐĞŚĞƌ͕ŽƌĨŽƌĐĞŚĞƌƚŽŚĂǀĞƐĞdžǁŝƚŚŽƚŚĞƌƉĞŽƉůĞ͍  A ŐĂŝŶ͕/ĚŽŶΖƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q ^ŚĞŶĞǀĞƌďƌŽƵŐŚƚƵƉĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚƚŚĂƚ͕ĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞŝƌƉƌĞǀŝŽƵƐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ ƚŚĂƚĞǀĞƌŵĂĚĞŚĞƌĨĞĞůƵŶĐŽŵĨŽƌƚĂďůĞŽƌƵŶƐĂĨĞ͍  A I mean -- Ms. Callen. Do you -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yeah. Can I -- Ms. Callen. -- ǁĂŶƚƚŽĐŚĂƚ͍ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yeah. Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘ ΀ŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘΁ Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽďĂĐŬŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘ "
8789,7,26,Page 27,,,"BY MS. CATHEY: Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͕ŝŶƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƐĞŽĨĚĂƟŶŐŚĞƌĂŶĚŐĞƫŶŐĐůŽƐĞƚŽŚĞƌ͕ĚŝĚƐŚĞĞǀĞƌ ŵĞŶƟŽŶƚŚĂƚĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐŚĂƉƉĞŶĞĚŝŶŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶƚŚĂƚŵĂĚĞŚĞƌĨĞĞů ƵŶĐŽŵĨŽƌƚĂďůĞŽƌƵŶƐĂĨĞ͍  A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘  Q ŝĚƐŚĞƚĂůŬĂďŽƵƚĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĞǀĞƌŽĐĐƵƌƌŝŶŐƚŚĂƚƐŚĞƌĞŐƌĞƚƐ͍  A Again, nothing -- ŶŽƚŚŝŶŐĐŽŵĞƐƚŽŵŝŶĚ͘  Q tĂƐLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŵŽŶŽŐĂŵŽƵƐ͍  A I was under the impression it was. Q And what is Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐƐĞdžƵĂůŽƌŝĞŶƚĂƟŽŶ͍  A ^ŚĞΖƐ-- Ms. Callen. Want to go ŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͍  >ĞƚΖƐŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  ΀ŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘΁ Ms. Cathey. tĞΖůůŐŽďĂĐŬŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ KŬĂLJ͘  Ms. Cathey. What was Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐƐĞdžƵĂůŽƌŝĞŶƚĂƟŽŶ͍ Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Heterosexual. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƌĞĂƐŽŶƚŽďĞůŝĞǀĞƚŚĂƚƐŚĞŚĂĚĂŶLJƐĞdžƵĂůĞŶĐŽƵŶƚĞƌƐǁŝƚŚ ĨĞŵĂůĞƐ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ I -- no. BY MS. CATHEY: Q ƵƌŝŶŐLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ Maxwell, did you have any reason to believe that her ƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶǁĂƐĐŽŶƟŶƵŝŶŐǁŚŝůĞLJŽƵǁĞƌĞĚĂƟŶŐŚĞƌ͍ "
8790,7,27,Page 28,,,"A No. Q /ΖĚůŝŬĞƚŽĞŶƚĞƌ͕ĂƐŵĂũŽƌŝƚLJĞdžŚŝďŝƚϮ͕ĂŶĞŵĂŝůĚĂƚĞĚǁŝƚŚƚŚĞƐƵďũĞĐƚůŝŶĞΗ,ĞLJ͘Η  /ƚǁŝůů ďĞƉĂƐƐĞĚŽƵƚƌŝŐŚƚŶŽǁ͘  dŚŝƐŝƐĨƌŽŵ'ŚŝƐůĂŝŶĞ Maxwell to Ted tĂŝƩ͘  dŚĞĞŵĂŝůŝƐŵĂƌŬĞĚĂƐ &dŶƵŵďĞƌĞŶĚŝŶŐŝŶϱϴϭϰ͘ ΀tĂŝƩDĂũŽƌŝƚLJdžŚŝďŝƚEŽ͘Ϯ͘ ǁĂƐŵĂƌŬĞĚĨŽƌŝĚĞŶƟĮĐĂƟŽŶ͘΁ BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŶĚǁĞΖůůǁĂŝƚǁŚŝůĞƚŚĞLJŐĞƚƉĂƐƐĞĚŽƵƚ͕ĂŶĚLJŽƵĐĂŶƚĂŬĞĂƐĞĐŽŶĚƚŽƌĞǀŝĞǁĂŶĚƚŚĞŶ ůĞƚƵƐŬŶŽǁǁŚĞŶLJŽƵΖƌĞƌĞĂĚLJƚŽƌĞƐƵŵĞ͘ ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůƌĞĐĞŝǀŝŶŐƚŚŝƐĞŵĂŝůĨƌŽŵDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŝŶϮϬϬϰ͍  A I do not. Q ,ĂǀĞLJŽƵĞǀĞƌƐĞĞŶƚŚŝƐĞŵĂŝů͍  A KŶůLJŝŶƉƌĞƉĂƌĂƟŽŶĨŽƌƚŚŝƐƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJ͘  Q ŶĚǁĞƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚΗ:ΗŝŶƚŚĞĞŵĂŝůƚŽŵĞĂŶ:ĞīƌĞLJ Epstein. Did you also understand Η:ΗƚŽďĞ:ĞīƌĞLJ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍ A I would assume so. Q Would you please explain in general what Ms. Maxwell is saying in this email with the ƐƵďũĞĐƚůŝŶĞΗ,ĞLJΗĂƚƚŚĞƚŽƉŽĨƚŚĞƉĂŐĞ͘  A /ĂƐƐƵŵĞƐŚĞΖƐƚĂůŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚŚŽǁƐŚĞΖƐŐŽŝŶŐƚŽĚĞĮŶĞŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ Epstein ǁŝƚŚŵĞŝŶŚĞƌůŝĨĞ͘  Q ŶĚƚŽĐůĂƌŝĨLJ͕ĨŽƌƚŚĞƐĂŬĞŽĨƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͕ǁŚĞŶDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŝƐƌĞĨĞƌƌŝŶŐƚŽ͕ƋƵŽƚĞ͕ΗŽƵƌ ƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉΗŝŶƚŚĞĞŵĂŝů͕ŝƐƐŚĞƌĞĨĞƌƌŝŶŐƚŽŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ͍  A I -- /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  /ĂƐƐƵŵĞ͕ƌĞĂĚŝŶŐƚŚĂƚ͕ŝƚǁĂƐƚĂůŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ with Mr. Epstein -- ŚĞƌǁŽƌŬƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͘  ƵƚŵĂLJďĞŝƚŝƐŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͘  /ĐĂŶΖƚ -- ŝƚΖƐ ŶŽƚĐůĞĂƌ͘ "
8791,7,28,Page 29,,,"Ms. Callen. zĞĂŚ͕ŝƚΖƐŶŽƚĐůĞĂƌ͘  Ms. Cathey. Understood. Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ dŚĂƚΖƐĂŵĞƐƐĂŐĞƐŚĞǁƌŽƚĞ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ƚΖƐĂŵĞƐƐĂŐĞƐŚĞǁƌŽƚĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵΖƌĞĂƐŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚ͕LJĞĂŚ͘  ^Ž/ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ what she was -- Ms. Cathey. dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ -- whether the ""our"" -- /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁǁŚĞƚŚĞƌƚŚĞΗŽƵƌΗŵĞĂŶƐ Epstein or me. BY MS. CATHEY: Q dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  dŽƚŚĞďĞƐƚŽĨLJŽƵƌŬŶŽǁůĞĚŐĞ͕ǁŚĂƚǁĂƐLJŽƵƌƌĞĂĐƟŽŶƚŽƚŚŝƐĞŵĂŝůǁŚĞŶLJŽƵƌĞĐĞŝǀĞĚŝƚ͍  This was sent to you by Ghislaine. A ŐĂŝŶ͕/ĚŽŶΖƚ-- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůů͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŐĞŶĞƌĂůůLJƚŚĂƚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐĚŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŶŐŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚLJŽƵǁŝƚŚ Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A Yes. Q In the email Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůƐĂLJƐĞƐƐĞŶƟĂůůLJƚŚĂƚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶŝƐƌĞǀŝĞǁŝŶŐƚŚĞůŽŐŝƐƟĐƐŽĨ LJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉĂŶĚƚŚĞŝƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚĂŶĂĐĐƵƌĂƚĞĐŚĂƌĂĐƚĞƌŝnjĂƟŽŶ͍  Ms. Callen. /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁƚŚĂƚƚŚĂƚΖƐĐůĞĂƌ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yeah. Ms. Cathey. Understood. /ŶƚŚĞĞŵĂŝů͕ƚŚŽƵŐŚ͕ƐŚĞŝƐƐĂLJŝŶŐƚŚĂƚŚĞŝƐƌĞǀŝĞǁŝŶŐƚŚĞĂƐƉĞĐƚƐŽĨŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͘  Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ tŚĞƌĞĚŽĞƐŝƚƐĂLJƚŚĂƚ͍  Ms. Cathey. /ƚΖƐŝŶ -- ŝƚΖƐŝŶƚŚĞƐĞĐŽŶĚůŝŶĞďĞĨŽƌĞŝƚĞŶĚƐ͕ďĞĨŽƌĞΗǁŝƚŚŽƵƚŝŵƉĞĚŝŶŐĂŶLJ ƉůĂŶƐ͘Η  ,ĞΖƐƌĞǀŝĞǁĞĚĂůůƚŚĞǁĂLJƐĨŽƌƵƐƚŽƌĞŵĂŝŶĐůŽƐĞǁŝƚŚŽƵƚŝŵƉĞĚŝŶŐĂŶLJƉůĂŶƐŽƌĨƵŶƚŚĂƚǁĞ may have."
8792,7,29,Page 30,,,"Mr. ^ŬůĂĚĂŶLJ͘ /ƚƐŽƵŶĚƐůŝŬĞƐŚĞΖƐƌĞǀŝĞǁŝŶŐƚŚĞǁĂLJƐĨŽƌŚĞƌĂŶĚƉƐƚĞŝŶƚŽƌĞŵĂŝŶĐůŽƐĞ͘  dŚĂƚΖƐŚŽǁ/ΖŵƌĞĂĚŝŶŐŝƚ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q zŽƵŚĂǀĞŶŽƌĞĂƐŽŶƚŽďĞůŝĞǀĞƚŚĂƚƐŚĞΖƐƚĂůŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚLJŽƵĂŶĚ ůŽŐŝƐƟĐƐŽĨŚŽǁƚŚĂƚǁŝůůǁŽƌŬ͕ǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶďĞŝŶŐŝŶǀŽůǀĞĚ͍  A zĞĂŚ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬŝƚǁĂƐ-- /ΖŵƌĞĂĚŝŶŐŝƚĂƐƚǁŽƐĞƉĂƌĂƚĞƚŚŝŶŐƐ͘  zŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕/ǁĂƐƌĞĂĚŝŶŐŝƚ ĂƐŚĞƌǁŽƌŬƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶĂŶĚŵĞďĞŝŶŐŝŶŚĞƌůŝĨĞ͘  Q tĞĐĂŶƐƚĞƉďĂĐŬĂŶĚŵĂŬĞŝƚŵŽƌĞŐĞŶĞƌĂůƚŚŽƵŐŚ͘  ĂƐĞĚŽŶƚŚŝƐĞŵĂŝůĂŶĚǁŚĂƚǁĞΖƌĞƐĞĞŝŶŐŚĞƌĞ͕ǁŚLJĚŝĚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŶĞĞĚƚŽďĞĚŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŶŐ ŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉĞŝƚŚĞƌǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶŽƌǁŝƚŚLJŽƵĂŶĚŚŽǁƚŚŽƐĞƚǁŽǁŽƵůĚǁŽƌŬƚŽŐĞƚŚĞƌ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  ŐƌĞĞ͕ƚŚĂƚŝƐĂďŝƚŽĚĚ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƚŚŝŶŬDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐƐĞĞŬŝŶŐDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐĂƉƉƌŽǀĂůŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚ ŚĞƌ͍  A /ƚŚŝŶŬŝŶĂǁĂLJ͕LJĞƐ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵĨĞĞůůŝŬĞƚŚĂƚĐŽƵůĚŚĂǀĞŚĂĚĂŶĞŐĂƟǀĞŝŵƉĂĐƚŽŶLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚŚĞƌŝĨ ŚĞŚĂĚĚŝƐĂƉƉƌŽǀĞĚ͍  A /ĚŽŶŽƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞĞŶĚĞĚƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉŝĨŚĞŚĂĚĚŝƐĂƉƉƌŽǀĞĚ͍  A /ĚŽŶŽƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q ,ŽǁŽŌĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵĂŶĚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĚŝƐĐƵƐƐDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐŽƉŝŶŝŽŶƐŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ ŝŶŐĞŶĞƌĂů͍  A I -- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůů-- Q Did you ever -- /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJ͘  A -- ƚŚĞƐƉĞĐŝĮĐƟŵĞƐ͕LJĞĂŚ͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌĚŝƐĐƵƐƐLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ Epstein and with Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍ "
8793,7,30,Page 31,,,A No. Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌĞdžƉƌĞƐƐĂĚĞƐŝƌĞƚŽƐƚŽƉǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A Not that I -- ŶŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁŽĨ͘  /ǁĂŶƚĞĚŚĞƌƚŽƐƚŽƉǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌDƌ͘ Epstein. Q ŝĚƐŚĞĚŝƐĂŐƌĞĞǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ͍  tĞƌĞƚŚŽƐĞĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŚĂĚŽŌĞŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌĂĚŝƐĂŐƌĞĞŵĞŶƚŽǀĞƌƚŚĂƚ͘  Q ŶĚǁŚLJĚŝĚLJŽƵǁĂŶƚŚĞƌƚŽƐƚŽƉǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌŚŝŵ͍  A ĞĐĂƵƐĞŚĞǁĂƐŚĞƌĞdž-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͘  /ǁĂƐũƵƐƚƵŶĐŽŵĨŽƌƚĂďůĞǁŝƚŚŝƚ͘  Q dŚĞƌĞǁĞƌĞŶŽƐƉĞĐŝĮĐƌĞĂƐŽŶƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵǁĞƌĞƵŶĐŽŵĨŽƌƚĂďůĞ͍  A No. Q Just in general that he was her ex-ďŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͍  A Yes. BY MR. SPECTRE: Q zŽƵŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚƚŚĂƚƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶLJŽƵĞŶĚĞĚƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉŝŶϮϬϭϬǁĂƐďĞĐĂƵƐĞLJŽƵ ŬŶĞǁLJŽƵǁĞƌĞŶĞǀĞƌŐŽŝŶŐƚŽŵĂƌƌLJŚĞƌ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚƌŝŐŚƚ͍ A Yes. Q ŝĚƚŚĂƚĚĞĐŝƐŝŽŶƚŽďƌĞĂŬƵƉ͕ĚŝĚŝƚŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐƚŽĚŽǁŝƚŚŚĞƌĐŽŶƟŶƵĞĚĞŵƉůŽLJŵĞŶƚ with Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A /ŵĞĂŶ͕/ǁĂƐŶΖƚƐƵƌĞƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌDƌ͘ Epstein at that -- ĂƚƚŚĂƚƉŽŝŶƚŝŶƟŵĞ͕ ďƵƚŚĞǁĂƐĂĐŽŶƟŶƵŽƵƐƉƌĞƐĞŶĐĞŝŶŚĞƌůŝĨĞ͘  Q ŶĚǁĂƐƚŚĂƚƉƌĞƐĞŶĐĞƉĂƌƚŽĨǁŚĂƚŵĂĚĞLJŽƵǁĂŶƚƚŽĞŶĚƚŚŝŶŐƐ͍  A DĂLJďĞŝŶĂƐŵĂůůǁĂLJ͕ďƵƚŝƚǁĂƐŶΖƚƚŚĞƉƌŝŵĂƌLJĚƌŝǀŝŶŐĨĂĐƚŽƌ͘  Q tŚLJǁĞƌĞLJŽƵƐŽƐƵƌĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵǁĞƌĞŶΖƚŐŽŝŶŐƚŽŵĂƌƌLJŚĞƌ͍  A /ƚΖƐũƵƐƚƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉŚĂĚŬŝŶĚŽĨƌƵŶŝƚƐĐŽƵƌƐĞ͘  /ũƵƐƚ -- /ũƵƐƚŬŶĞǁƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŶΖƚƌŝŐŚƚ ĨŽƌŵĞ͘ BY MS. CATHEY:
8794,7,31,Page 32,,,"Q Mr. tĂŝƩ͕/ΖĚůŝŬĞƚŽƉŝǀŽƚŶŽǁƚŽLJŽƵƌĐŽŶŶĞĐƟŽŶƚŽƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶĨĂŵŝůLJ͘  tŚĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵ ĮƌƐƚŵĞĞƚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ŶƚŚĞůĂƚĞΖϵϬƐ͕ϭϵϵϴŽƌϭϵϵϵ͕ŝŶƵďůŝŶ͕/ƌĞůĂŶĚ͕ĂƚĂ'ĂƚĞǁĂLJĞǀĞŶƚ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŵŽƌĞƚŚĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐ͍  tŚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚyou to President ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ǁĂƐ͕ůŝŬĞ͕ŵĞƚŚŝŵ͕ŚŝŵƐĞůĨ͘  ,ĞǁĂƐƉƵůůĞĚƵƉƚŽŽƵƌĨĂĐƚŽƌLJŝŶĂůŝŵŽ͕ĂŶĚŚĞŐŽƚŽƵƚ ďLJŚŝŵƐĞůĨ͕ĂŶĚ/ŐƌĞĞƚĞĚŚŝŵ͘  Q You said this was at an event. A Yes. Q tŚŽĞůƐĞǁĂƐƉƌĞƐĞŶƚĂƚƚŚĞĞǀĞŶƚ͍ A dŚĞƉƌŝŵĞŵŝŶŝƐƚĞƌ͕dĂŽŝƐĞĂĐŚŽĨ/ƌĞůĂŶĚ͕ĂŶĚĂƌŽƵŶĚϮ͕ϱϬϬŽƚŚĞƌƉĞŽƉůĞ͘  dŚĞ ambassadors were signing a digital treaty between Ireland and the United States. Q tŚĂƚĚŝĚLJŽƵĚŝƐĐƵƐƐǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚůŝŶƚŽŶƚŚĂƚĚĂLJ͍ A /ƚǁĂƐĂůůďƵƐŝŶĞƐƐ͘  /ǁĂůŬĞĚŚŝŵƚŚƌŽƵŐŚŽƵƌŽƉĞƌĂƟŽŶ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞŶǁĞĚŝƐĐƵƐƐĞĚƚŚĞ ůŽŐŝƐƟĐƐŽĨƚŚĞĞǀĞŶƚ͕ƐŝŐŶŝŶŐƚŚĞƚƌĞĂƚLJ͘  ŶĚƚŚĞŶǁĞǁĞŶƚůŝǀĞŽŶEE͘ĐŽŵ͕ĂŶĚǁĞĂůůŐĂǀĞ ƐƉĞĞĐŚĞƐ͘  ŶĚƚŚĞŶ/ƌƵƐŚĞĚŽƵƚƚŽďĞĂƚŚŝŵŽƵƚŽĨƚŚĞ -- beat his airplane out. Q tŚĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵĮƌƐƚŵĞĞƚ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A In, I believe it was -- ŝƚǁĂƐůĂƚĞƌƚŚĂŶƚŚĂƚ͕ĂŌĞƌŚĞΖĚůĞŌŽĸĐĞ͕ŝŶƚŚĞĞĂƌůLJϮϬϬϬƐ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞƚŚĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐƐƵƌƌŽƵŶĚŝŶŐLJŽƵƌĮƌƐƚŵĞĞƟŶŐǁŝƚŚ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍ A dŚĞĮƌƐƚƟŵĞ/ƌĞĐĂůůŵĞĞƟŶŐ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJůŝŶƚŽŶǁĂƐĂƚĂĚŝŶŶĞƌ -- a small, very private dinner in New zŽƌŬ͘  Q In New zŽƌŬ͘  tŚŽĞůƐĞǁĂƐƉƌĞƐĞŶƚ͍ "
8795,7,32,Page 33,,,A /ƚǁĂƐWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚĂŶĚ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJůŝŶƚŽŶ͘  Q Do you do want to -- Ms. Callen. tĞĐĂŶŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚŝĨLJŽƵǁĂŶƚ -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yeah. Ms. Callen. -- ƐƉĞĐŝĮĐŶĂŵĞƐ͘  Mr. Ashworth. EŽ͘  ^ŚĞĂƐŬĞĚĂƋƵĞƐƟŽŶĂďŽƵƚŝƚ͘  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ΖůůĂŶƐǁĞƌ-- Mr. Ashworth. /ĨLJŽƵƌĐůŝĞŶƚŝƐƌĞĨƵƐŝŶŐƚŽĂŶƐǁĞƌƚŚĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ΖůůĂŶƐǁĞƌƚŚĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ͘  /ƚǁĂƐdĞĚĂŶƐŽŶĂŶĚDĂƌLJ^ƚĞĞŶďƵƌŐĞŶ͘ Mr. Ashworth. dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘ BY MS. CATHEY: Q dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  ŶĚǁŚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚyou ƚŽ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůů͕ďƵƚǁĞĂůůƐŚŽǁĞĚƵƉĂƚĚŝŶŶĞƌ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJŽĨƚŚĞŝŶŝƟĂůĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŚĂĚǁŝƚŚŚĞƌ͍  A EŽ͘  /ƚǁĂƐũƵƐƚƚLJƉŝĐĂůĚŝŶŶĞƌĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐ͕ǁŚĂƚǁĂƐŐŽŝŶŐŽŶ͕ǁŚĂƚ-- Q ĂŶLJŽƵďƌŝĞŇLJĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞƚŚĞŶĂƚƵƌĞĂŶĚƚŚĞĞdžƚĞŶƚŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚ President ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ƚŚŝŶŬǁĞǁĞƌĞĨƌŝĞŶĚƐ͕ǁĞďĞĐĂŵĞĨƌŝĞŶĚƐ͘  /ƉůĂLJĞĚŐŽůĨǁŝƚŚŚŝŵƋƵŝƚĞĂĨĞǁƟŵĞƐ͘  /ƚƌĂǀĞůĞĚǁŝƚŚŚŝŵŽŶĂĨĞǁƚƌŝƉƐ͕ǁŽƵůĚƐĞĞŚŝŵĂŶĚĐĂƚĐŚƵƉŽǀĞƌĐŽīĞĞŽƌůƵŶĐŚǁŚĞŶ/ǁĂƐŝŶ New zŽƌŬŽƌŚĞǁĂƐŽŶƚŚĞtĞƐƚŽĂƐƚ͕ĂŶĚƐƟůůĚŽ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵĞƐƟŵĂƚĞĂďŽƵƚŚŽǁĨƌĞƋƵĞŶƚůLJLJŽƵƐĞĞWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A KŶĐĞŽƌƚǁŝĐĞĂLJĞĂƌ͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌŚĂǀĞĂďƵƐŝŶĞƐƐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A I was a donor to the Clinton Library.
8796,7,33,Page 34,,,"Q tĞƌĞLJŽƵĚŽŶŽƌƚŽĂŶLJŽƚŚĞƌŽƌŐĂŶŝnjĂƟŽŶŽƌĂĨŽƵŶĚĂƟŽŶƚŚĂƚǁĂƐƌĞůĂƚĞĚƚŽ President ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ŵŝŐŚƚΖǀĞĚŽŶĞƐŽŵĞƐŵĂůůŐƌĂŶƚƐƚŽƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶ&ŽƵŶĚĂƟŽŶ͕ďƵƚŵLJ-- the big grant I ŐĂǀĞǁĂƐƚŽƐƵƉƉŽƌƚŚŝƐƚŚĞĐŽŶƐƚƌƵĐƟŽŶŽĨŚŝƐůŝďƌĂƌLJ͘  Q ŶĚǁĞΖůůƌĞƚƵƌŶĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŵŽƌĞƚŽƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶ&ŽƵŶĚĂƟŽŶůĂƚĞƌ͕ďƵƚĨŽƌŶŽǁ͕ĐĂŶLJŽƵ ďƌŝĞŇLJĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞƚŚĞĞdžƚĞŶƚĂŶĚŶĂƚƵƌĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /Ζŵ -- LJĞĂŚ͕/ΖŵŶŽƚĂƐĐůŽƐĞĂƐŝƚ -- ĂƐŝƚǁĂƐǁŝƚŚƚŚĞWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ͕ďƵƚ/ΖǀĞŵĞƚŚĞƌŽŶ ƐĞǀĞƌĂů͕ŵƵůƟƉůĞŽĐĐĂƐŝŽŶƐ͘  ^ŚĞΖƐďĞĞŶƚŽŵLJŚŽŵĞ͘  /ΖǀĞďĞĞŶƚŽŚĞƌŚŽŵĞ͘  ^Ž/ŵĞƚŚĞƌŽŶ ŵƵůƟƉůĞŽĐĐĂƐŝŽŶƐ͕ƐŽ͘  Q ŶĚLJŽƵƐĂŝĚLJŽƵΖǀĞďĞĞŶƚŽŚĞƌŚŽŵĞ͘  tŚŝĐŚŚŽŵĞŝƐƚŚĂƚ͍  A dŚĞŚŽŵĞŝŶŚĂƉƉĂƋƵĂ͕ĂƐǁĞůůĂƐŚĞƌŚŽŵĞŝŶ͕͘͘ǁŚŝĐŚ/ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁŝĨƐŚĞƐƟůůŚĂƐĂ home here or not. Q ,ŽǁŵĂŶLJƟŵĞƐĚŝĚLJŽƵǀŝƐŝƚƚŚĞŚŽŵĞŝŶŚĂƉƉĂƋƵĂ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĞdžĂĐƚůLJ͘  dǁŽŽƌƚŚƌĞĞ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJƐƉĞĐŝĮĐƟŵĞƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵǁĞŶƚ͍  ĂŶLJŽƵƌĞĐŽƵŶƚǁŚŽĞůƐĞǁĂƐǁŝƚŚ LJŽƵ͍  A dLJƉŝĐĂůůLJŝƚǁĂƐ -- /ǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶďLJŵLJƐĞůĨ͘  Q dŚĞƌĞǁĞƌĞŶŽŽƚŚĞƌŽĐĐĂƐŝŽŶƐǁŚĞƌĞ -- A ƚƚŚĞŚŽŵĞŝŶŚĂƉƉĂƋƵĂ͍  Q At the home in Chappaqua, yes. A At the home in Chappaqua, yes, it was -- ƚLJƉŝĐĂůůLJũƵƐƚŵĞ͕/ďĞůŝĞǀĞ͕ƐŽ͘  Q ŶĚŚĞƌŽƚŚĞƌŚŽŵĞ͕ŚŽǁŽŌĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵǀŝƐŝƚƚŚĞƌĞ͍  A Just -- ũƵƐƚŽŶĐĞ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĂƚǁĂƐǁŚĞŶƐŚĞǁĂƐƌƵŶŶŝŶŐĨŽƌWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ͕ĂŶĚ/ĚŽďĞůŝĞǀĞ Ms. Maxwell was with me at that. Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌǁŚĂƚLJĞĂƌƚŚĂƚǁĂƐ͍ "
8797,7,34,Page 35,,,"A dŚĂƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶďĞĨŽƌĞƚŚĞϮϬϬϴĞůĞĐƟŽŶ͕ƐŽƉƌŽďĂďůLJϮϬϬϳ͕/ΖŵŐƵĞƐƐŝŶŐ͘  BY MR. SPECTRE: Q And was President ůŝŶƚŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĂƐǁĞůů͍  A No. Q /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJŝĨLJŽƵƐĂŝĚƚŚĂƚ͘  A Not that I -- Q ,ĞǁĂƐŶŽƚ͍  A -- ŶŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ƌĞĐĂůů͕ŶŽ͘  BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŽLJŽƵƐƟůůĐŽŵŵƵŶŝĐĂƚĞǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A Yes. Q ďŽƵƚŚŽǁŽŌĞŶ͍  A >ŝŬĞ/ƐĂŝĚ͕ŽŶĐĞŽƌƚǁŝĐĞĂLJĞĂƌ͘  Q ŶĚ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͕ƐĂŵĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ͘  A /ŚĂǀĞŶΖƚƐĞĞŶŚĞƌŝŶĂǁŚŝůĞ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ,ĂǀĞLJŽƵĐŽŵŵƵŶŝĐĂƚĞĚǁŝƚŚĞŝƚŚĞƌŽĨƚŚĞŵƚŚŝƐLJĞĂƌ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ĚŽŶΖƚďĞůŝĞǀĞƐŽ͘  ŽŶΖƚďĞůŝĞǀĞƐŽ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ^ŽLJŽƵΖǀĞŶŽƚĚŝƐĐƵƐƐĞĚƚŚĞŝƌĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶƐŽƌLJŽƵƌƚƌĂŶƐĐƌŝďĞĚŝŶƚĞƌǀŝĞǁǁŝƚŚ ƚŚĞŵ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. BY MS. CATHEY: Q tŚĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵĮƌƐƚŵĞĞƚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A dŚĂƚΖƐĂŐŽŽĚƋƵĞƐƟŽŶ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌǁŚĞŶ/ĮƌƐƚŵĞƚŚĞůƐĞĂ͕ďƵƚ/ΖǀĞŬŶŽǁŶŚĞƌ ĨŽƌƋƵŝƚĞƐŽŵĞƟŵĞ͘  Q /ďĞůŝĞǀĞ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶƚĞƐƟĮĞĚƚŽƚŚŝƐĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŵĞƚƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐŝŶƚŚĞ"
8798,7,35,Page 36,,,ĞĂƌůLJΖϵϬƐ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚĂĐĐƵƌĂƚĞ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůŵĞĞƟŶŐƚŚĞŵŝŶƚŚĞĞĂƌůLJΖϵϬƐ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůŵĞĞƟŶŐƚŚĞŵƵŶƟů ƚŚĞůĂƚĞΖϵϬƐ͘  Q dŚĞůĂƚĞΖϵϬƐ͍  A Yeah. Q tŽƵůĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞŵĞƚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶĂƌŽƵŶĚƚŚĞůĂƚĞΖϵϬƐ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƚŚŝŶŬ/ŵĞƚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶƵŶƟůƚŚĞĞĂƌůLJϮϬϬϬƐ͘ Q ŶĚLJŽƵĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌ ƚŚĞĐŝƌĐƵŵƐƚĂŶĐĞƐ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌ -- ĂƚůĞĂƐƚƚŚĂƚΖƐƚŚĞǁĂLJ/ƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŝƚ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌǁŚŽŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĚLJŽƵŽƌǁŚŽĐŽŶŶĞĐƚĞĚLJŽƵƚŽŚĞƌ͍ A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌĞdžĂĐƚůLJ͘  ^ŽƌƌLJ͘  Q dŚĂƚΖƐŽŬĂLJ͘  ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞƚŚĞŶĂƚƵƌĞĂŶĚĞdžƚĞŶƚŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ƚŚŝŶŬǁĞΖƌĞĐůŽƐĞĨƌŝĞŶĚƐ͘  Q ƌĞLJŽƵĐƵƌƌĞŶƚůLJĐůŽƐĞĨƌŝĞŶĚƐ͍ A Yes. Q ŶĚǁĞΖůůĚŝƐĐƵƐƐĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŵŽƌĞĂďŽƵƚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶůĂƚĞƌĂŶĚƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐĞǀĞŶƚ͕ ďƵƚĚŽLJŽƵƐƟůůĐŽŵŵƵŶŝĐĂƚĞǁŝƚŚĂŶLJŽƚŚĞƌŵĞŵďĞƌŽĨƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶĨĂŵŝůLJ͍  A ŚĞůƐĞĂĂŶĚŚĞƌŚƵƐďĂŶĚDĂƌĐ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƐĞĞĞĂĐŚŽƚŚĞƌƐŽĐŝĂůůLJǀĞƌLJŽŌĞŶ͍  A Not -- ŶŽƚǀĞƌLJŽŌĞŶ͕ďƵƚĂĨĞǁƟŵĞƐĂLJĞĂƌ͘  Q ŶĚŚŽǁǁŽƵůĚLJŽƵĐŚĂƌĂĐƚĞƌŝnjĞLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐĂƚƚŚĞƟŵĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵ met Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍  /ŬŶŽǁŝƚǁĂƐĂƚƚŚĞĚŝŶŶĞƌ͕ďƵƚ -- A ŽƵůĚLJŽƵũƵƐƚ -- ĂƚƚŚĞƟŵĞ/ŵĞƚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͍  Q Yes.
8799,7,36,Page 37,,,"A Oh, again, I was -- /ǁĂƐũƵƐƚŐĞƫŶŐƚŽŬŶŽǁƚŚĞŵ͘  /ǁĂƐ-- /ƚŚŝŶŬ/ΖĚĂůƌĞĂĚLJŵĂĚĞŵLJ ĚŽŶĂƟŽŶƚŽƚŚĞůŝďƌĂƌLJ͕ƐŽŝƚǁĂƐŵŽƌĞĂƐŬŝŶĚŽĨĂĚŽŶŽƌ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬ͕ĂƚƚŚĂƚƉŽŝŶƚ͘  Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŬŶŽǁƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐďĞĨŽƌĞƐŚĞŵĞƚLJŽƵ͍  A She was -- yes, not -- /ǁŽƵůĚŶΖƚƐĂLJƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬƐŚĞŬŶĞǁWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ Clinton. Q Just President ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A Yeah. She was -- Q She did not -- A She was traveling with President Clinton when I met her. Q ^ŽƚŽďĞĐůĞĂƌ͕ƐŚĞĚŝĚŶŽƚŬŶŽǁ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶĂƚƚŚĞƟŵĞ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚďĞůŝĞǀĞƐŽ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚďĞůŝĞǀĞƐŽ͘  Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ So you met Ghislaine Maxwell in 2003. You met Bill ůŝŶƚŽŶŝŶƚŚĞůĂƚĞΖϵϬƐ͕ ďƵƚĞĂĐŚ -- Ghislaine DĂdžǁĞůůŬŶĞǁWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶďĞĨŽƌĞƐŚĞŵĞƚLJŽƵ͘  ^ŽŚĂĚLJŽƵ -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yes. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ^ŽLJŽƵŚĂĚĂŵƵƚƵĂůĨƌŝĞŶĚŝŶWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ Clinton. Did you ever have a ĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ Clinton about Ghislaine DĂdžǁĞůůďĞĨŽƌĞŚĞŵĞƚ'ŚŝƐůĂŝŶĞ DĂdžǁĞůů͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ No. BY MS. CATHEY: Q How did Ms. Maxwell meet President ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŚŽǁƐŚĞŵĞƚ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  /ĂƐƐƵŵĞŝƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶƚŚƌŽƵŐŚŵĞĂƚƐŽŵĞƉŽŝŶƚ͘  Q ŶĚLJŽƵĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌǁŚĞŶƚŚĂƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJ͘  Q Understood. ŶĚƚŚĞŶŚŽǁǁŽƵůĚLJŽƵĐŚĂƌĂĐƚĞƌŝnjĞLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐůĂƚĞƌŽŶǁŚŝůĞLJŽƵ"
8800,7,37,Page 38,,,"and Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁĞƌĞĚĂƟŶŐ͍  A tĞĂƩĞŶĚĞĚĂůŽƚŽĨƚŚĞ'/ĞǀĞŶƚƐ͘  dŚĞƌĞǁĂƐĂůŽƚŽĨ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ĚŝŶŶĞƌƐ͘  /ƚǁĂƐ͕ LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ĐŽƌĚŝĂů͕ƐŽĐŝĂů͘  Q ƵƌŝŶŐŚŝƐĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶƚŽƚŚŝƐĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĞ͕WƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶƚĞƐƟĮĞĚƚŚĂƚŚĞĨĞůƚŚĞǁĂƐ ĐůŽƐĞƌƚŽDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůďĞĐĂƵƐĞŽĨLJŽƵ͘  tŚLJĚŽLJŽƵƚŚŝŶŬWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶǁŽƵůĚƐĂLJƚŚĂƚLJŽƵǁĞƌĞƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶŚĞǁĂƐĐůŽƐĞƌƚŽ Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A ŐĂŝŶ͕/ĚŽŶΖƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬŝƚΖƐďĞĐĂƵƐĞ/ǁĂƐƐƉĞŶĚŝŶŐƟŵĞǁŝƚŚƚŚĞŵ͘  Q ŝĚƚŚĞůŝŶƚŽŶƐƐƉĞŶĚƟŵĞǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ-- ƚŽďĞŵŽƌĞƐƉĞĐŝĮĐ͕ĚŝĚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚůŝŶƚŽŶĂŶĚ ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶƐƉĞŶĚƟŵĞǁŝƚŚLJŽƵĂŶĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůŝŶƐŽĐŝĂůƐĞƫŶŐƐ͕ŽƵƚƐŝĚĞŽĨĞǀĞŶƚƐ͕ĂƐĂ ĐŽƵƉůĞ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJŝŶƐƚĂŶĐĞƐŽĨƐƉĞŶĚŝŶŐƟŵĞǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͕^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ Clinton, and President Clinton -- Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůů -- A -- without -- LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ĂůŽŶĞŽƌƐĞƉĂƌĂƚĞůLJ͘  /ũƵƐƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĂƚĞǀĞƌŚĂƉƉĞŶŝŶŐ͘  Q What about with Chelsea Clinton and her husband, you and Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A dŚĂƚΖƐƉŽƐƐŝďůĞ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵƚŚŝŶŬŽĨĂŶLJƐƉĞĐŝĮĐŝŶƐƚĂŶĐĞƐ͍  A /ĐĂŶΖƚ͘  /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJ͕ďƵƚ -- Q ďŽƵƚǁŚĂƚƟŵĞŝŶLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůǁĞƌĞLJΖĂůůƐƉĞŶĚŝŶŐƟŵĞǁŝƚŚ ŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶĂŶĚŚĞƌŚƵƐďĂŶĚ͍  A Could -- Q ĂŶLJŽƵĞƐƟŵĂƚĞƐƉĞĐŝĮĐLJĞĂƌƐŽƌƟŵĞĨƌĂŵĞŽĨƚŚĞƟŵĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵǁĞƌĞƐƉĞŶĚŝŶŐǁŝƚŚ Chelsea Clinton and her husband and you and Ms. DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A /ƚƉƌŽďĂďůLJ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶŝŶƚŚĞƟŵĞĐůŽƐĞƌƚŽƚŚĞŝƌǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͘ "
8801,7,38,Page 39,,,"Q Understood. ŝĚLJŽƵŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞĞŝƚŚĞƌWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶŽƌ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ Clinton to Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍  A No. Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞDƌ͘ Epstein to President ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁƚŚĞĂŶƐǁĞƌƚŽƚŚĂƚ͘  Q ŝĚƐŚĞŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞŚŝŵƚŽ^ĞĐƌĞƚĂƌLJ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q /ΖĚůŝŬĞƚŽƌĞƚƵƌŶŶŽǁƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJƚŽŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͘  ,ŽǁǁŽƵůĚLJŽƵ ĐŚĂƌĂĐƚĞƌŝnjĞDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A Friendly. Q ŶĚŚŽǁŽŌĞŶǁŽƵůĚƚŚĞLJŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƚ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q zŽƵĂƩĞŶĚĞĚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐŝŶ:ƵůLJϮϬϭϬ͕ĐŽƌƌĞĐƚ͍  A Yeah. Q And Ghislaine DĂdžǁĞůůĂƩĞŶĚĞĚƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ͍  A Yes. Q ŶĚƐŚĞĂƩĞŶĚĞĚƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐǁŝƚŚLJŽƵŝŶǁŚĂƚĐĂƉĂĐŝƚLJ͍ A ^ŚĞǁĂƐŵLJŐŝƌůĨƌŝĞŶĚĂƚƚŚĞƟŵĞ͘  Q ƐLJŽƵƌĚĂƚĞ͍  A Yes. Q ŝĚƐŚĞĂůƐŽƌĞĐĞŝǀĞĂŶŝŶǀŝƚĂƟŽŶƚŽƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͕ŽƌǁĂƐƐŚĞLJŽƵƌƉůƵƐ-ŽŶĞ͍ A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůŚŽǁƚŚĞŝŶǀŝƚĂƟŽŶǁĂƐĂĚĚƌĞƐƐĞĚ͘  Q tŚĂƚǁĞĚĚŝŶŐĞǀĞŶƚƐĚŝĚLJŽƵĂƩĞŶĚŽŶƚŚĞĚĂLJŽĨŚĞůƐĞĂ ůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͍  A Could you -- /ĚŽŶΖƚ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌ͘ Q /ĐĂŶŐŝǀĞLJŽƵƐŽŵĞĞdžĂŵƉůĞƐ͘ "
8802,7,39,Page 40,,,"A Yes. Q &ŽƌĞdžĂŵƉůĞ͕ĐĞƌĞŵŽŶLJ͕ƌĞĐĞƉƟŽŶ͕ĂŶLJŽƚŚĞƌĞǀĞŶƚƐŝŶĐůƵĚŝŶŐĐŽĐŬƚĂŝůŚŽƵƌ͕ƌĞŚĞĂƌƐĂů ĚŝŶŶĞƌ͘  tŚĂƚǁĞĚĚŝŶŐĞǀĞŶƚƐĚŝĚLJŽƵĂƩĞŶĚǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŽŶƚŚĞĚĂLJŽĨŚĞůƐĞĂ ůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐ ǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͍  A /ƌĞĐĂůůĂƩĞŶĚŝŶŐƚŚĞĐĞƌĞŵŽŶLJĂŶĚƚŚĞĞǀĞŶƚƐĂŌĞƌǁĂƌĚƐ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂƩĞŶĚŝŶŐ ƐŽŵĞƚŚŝŶŐƚŚĞŶŝŐŚƚďĞĨŽƌĞ͘  Q And was Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁŝƚŚLJŽƵƚŚƌŽƵŐŚŽƵƚďŽƚŚƚŚŽƐĞĞǀĞŶƚƐ͍  A EŽƚĐŽŶƟŶƵŽƵƐůLJ͕ďƵƚ/ďĞůŝĞǀĞƐŽ͘  Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŽƌLJŽƵŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƚǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶĂƚĂŶLJŽĨƚŚŽƐĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐĞǀĞŶƚƐ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJƐƉĞĐŝĮĐŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƟŽŶƐ͘  /ǁŽƵůĚĂƐƐƵŵĞƐŽ͕ďƵƚ -- Q Did you and Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƚǁŝƚŚŚĞůƐĞĂůŝŶƚŽŶŽŶƚŚĂƚǁĞĚĚŝŶŐĚĂLJ͍ A I would assume so. It was a big -- ďŝŐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͕ƐŽ/ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĨŽƌƐƵƌĞ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĂƚ LJŽƵǁŽƵůĚŬŶŽǁďĞƩĞƌƚŚĂŶŵĞŚŽǁŵĂŶLJƉĞŽƉůĞǁĞƌĞƚŚĞƌĞ͘  ƵƚŝƚǁĂƐĂůĂƌŐĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͕ĂŶĚ͕ĂƐ LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ĂƚǁĞĚĚŝŶŐƐ͕ƚŚĞďƌŝĚĞŝƐƵƐƵĂůůLJƋƵŝƚĞďƵƐLJ͘  Q ,ŽǁĚŝĚŽƚŚĞƌƉĞŽƉůĞĂƩĞŶĚŝŶŐƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐĞǀĞŶƚƐƌĞĂĐƚƚŽLJŽƵďƌŝŶŐŝŶŐDƐ͘ Maxwell ƚŽƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͍  A ^ŚĞŬŶĞǁĂůŽƚŽĨƚŚĞƉĞŽƉůĞƚŚĞƌĞĂŶĚ -- Q Did anyone seem surprised -- A No. Q -- ƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐƚŚĞƌĞ͍  A No. Q ŝĚLJŽƵŶĞĞĚƚŽŐŽƚŚƌŽƵŐŚĂŶLJ^ĞĐƌĞƚ ^ĞƌǀŝĐĞƉƌŽƚŽĐŽůƐŽƌƉƌŽĐĞĚƵƌĞƐƚŽŐŽƚŽ Chelsea ůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐƐŝŶĐĞŚĞƌĨĂƚŚĞƌǁĂƐWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶ͍  A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁŽĨ͘  Q Did Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůŚĂǀĞƚŽŐŽƚŚƌŽƵŐŚĂŶLJ͍"
8803,7,40,Page 41,,,"A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁ͘  Q /ŶϮϬϬϵ͕ƚŚĞLJĞĂƌďĞĨŽƌĞŚĞůƐĞĂ ůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͕DƐ͘ Maxwell had been subpoenaed ƚŽƚĞƐƟĨLJŝŶĂĐŝǀŝůĐĂƐĞĂŐĂŝŶƐƚ:ĞīƌĞLJ ƉƐƚĞŝŶǁŚŝĐŚǁĂƐďƌŽƵŐŚƚďLJŽŶĞŽĨŚŝƐĂĐĐƵƐĞƌƐ͘  ŶĚƚŚĞŶŵŽŶƚŚƐďĞĨŽƌĞŚĞůƐĞĂ ůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͕DƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĐůĂŝŵƐƐŚĞĐŽƵůĚŶŽƚĂƉƉĞĂƌ ĨŽƌŚĞƌĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶďĞĐĂƵƐĞƐŚĞĐůĂŝŵƐƐŚĞǁĂƐŽƵƚŽĨƚŚĞĐŽƵŶƚƌLJĨŽƌĨĂŵŝůLJƌĞĂƐŽŶƐ͘  Were you aware that Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐĂĐƟǀĞůLJĂǀŽŝĚŝŶŐŚĞƌĂƉƉĞĂƌĂŶĐĞĂƚĂĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶĂƚ ƚŚĞƟŵĞƚŚĂƚƐŚĞĂƩĞŶĚĞĚŚĞůƐĞĂ ůŝŶƚŽŶΖƐǁĞĚĚŝŶŐǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ͍  A EŽ͘  EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌĚŝƐĐƵƐƐƚŚĞĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͍  A I -- ŝŶŐĞŶĞƌĂůƚĞƌŵƐ͕/ƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŝƚďĞŝŶŐĂŶŝƐƐƵĞ͕ďƵƚ/ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŝƚďĞŝŶŐĂŶŝƐƐƵĞ ĂƚƚŚĂƚƟŵĞ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬŝƚǁĂƐůĂƚĞƌ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵĞůĂďŽƌĂƚĞĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŽŶǁŚĂƚLJŽƵŵĞĂŶďLJΗĂŶŝƐƐƵĞΗ͍  A >ĂƚĞƌŝŶŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕ƐŚĞǁĂƐƋƵŝƚĞƐƚƌĞƐƐĞĚĂďŽƵƚĂĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶƐƵďƉŽĞŶĂ͕ ǁŚĂƚĞǀĞƌ͘  /ΖŵŶŽƚĞdžĂĐƚůLJƐƵƌĞǁŚĂƚŝƚǁĂƐ͘  dŚĞƌĞǁĞƌĞƐŽŵĞůĞŐĂůŵĂƩĞƌƐŐŽŝŶŐŽŶƉĞƌƚĂŝŶŝŶŐƚŽ Mr. Epstein that she was upset about. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ >ĂƚĞƌŝŶLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕ƐŽǁŚĞŶĂƌĞLJŽƵƚĂůŬŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ďĞĞŶ -- /ŐƵĞƐƐŝƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶƚŚĂƚƟŵĞ͕ŝŶϮϬϭϬ͕LJĞĂŚ͕ so. Mr. ^ƉĞĐƚƌĞ͘ ^ŽƌŝŐŚƚĂƌŽƵŶĚƚŚĞƟŵĞŽĨƚŚĞǁĞĚĚŝŶŐ͍  Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ Yeah, yeah. Ms. Cathey. Did you ever -- Mr. tĂŝƩ͘ /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁŝĨŝƚǁĂƐďĞĨŽƌĞŽƌĂŌĞƌ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚ-- BY MS. CATHEY: Q Did you ever try to assist Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁŝƚŚƚŚĞĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶƐŽƌĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐƌĞůĂƚĞĚƚŽŚĞƌ ďĞŝŶŐďƌŽƵŐŚƚŝŶƚŽĐŽƵƌƚ͍ "
8804,7,41,Page 42,,,A No. Q zŽƵĚŝĚŶΖƚƉĂLJĨŽƌĂƩŽƌŶĞLJƐ -- A No. Q -- ĂŶLJǁŚĞƌĞ͍  Were you aware that Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐĂǀŽŝĚŝŶŐƚŚĞĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶďLJƐĂLJŝŶŐƐŚĞǁĂƐŽƵƚŽĨƚŚĞ ĐŽƵŶƚƌLJĨŽƌĂŶĞdžƚĞŶĚĞĚƉĞƌŝŽĚŽĨƟŵĞ͍  A No. Q ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŝĨƐŚĞĞǀĞƌĂĐƚƵĂůůLJůĞŌƚŚĞĐŽƵŶƚƌLJŝŶϮϬϭϬ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁ͘  Q ^ŚĞĂůƐŽĐůĂŝŵĞĚƚŚĂƚŚĞƌŵŽƚŚĞƌǁĂƐƐŝĐŬ͘  tĞƌĞLJŽƵĂǁĂƌĞŽĨŚĞƌŵŽƚŚĞƌďĞŝŶŐƐŝĐŬ at any point in those 2 LJĞĂƌƐ͍  A ƚƐŽŵĞƉŽŝŶƚ/ƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŚĞƌŵŽƚŚĞƌ͕ďƵƚ/ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁŝĨŝƚǁĂƐ -- /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁŝĨŝƚǁĂƐ ƚŚĂƚƟŵĞ͘  Q Did she -- A :ƵƐƚĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůů͘  Q džĐƵƐĞŵĞ͘  ŝĚƐŚĞŽŌĞŶǀŝƐŝƚŚĞƌĨĂŵŝůLJďĂĐŬŝŶŶŐůĂŶĚ͍ A Yes. Q ďŽƵƚŚŽǁŽŌĞŶ͍  A KŶĐĞŽƌƚǁŝĐĞĂLJĞĂƌŵĂLJďĞ͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌŐŽǁŝƚŚŚĞƌ͍  A Yes. Q ĂŶLJŽƵƌĞĐŽƵŶƚƚŚŽƐĞƟŵĞƐ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚŬŶŽǁĞdžĂĐƚůLJǁŚĂƚƚŚĞĚĂƚĞƐǁĞƌĞ͘  Q ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚŵŽƌĞĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞƚƌŝƉƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵƚŽŽŬǁŝƚŚŚĞƌƚŽƐĞĞŚĞƌ
8805,7,42,Page 43,,,"ĨĂŵŝůLJƚŚĞƌĞ͍  A /ũƵƐƚƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌŐŽŝŶŐŽŶĐĞƚŽŵĞĞƚŚĞƌŵŽƚŚĞƌ͘  Q ŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌĚŝƐĐŽƵƌĂŐĞŚĞƌĨƌŽŵĂǀŽŝĚŝŶŐƚŚĞĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶ͕ŽƌĚŝĚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌĞŶĐŽƵƌĂŐĞ ŚĞƌƚŽŐŽƚŽƚŚĞĚĞƉŽƐŝƟŽŶ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĂƚůĞǀĞů -- ƚŚĂƚĚĞƚĂŝůŽĨĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶĂƌŽƵŶĚƚŚĂƚƚŽƉŝĐ͘  Q Ghislaine DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐĂƌƌĞƐƚĞĚŽŶ:ƵůLJϮŶĚ͕ϮϬϮϬ͕ĂŶĚĐŚĂƌŐĞĚǁŝƚŚ͕ĂŵŽŶŐŽƚŚĞƌ ƚŚŝŶŐƐ͕ƚŚĞƌĞĐƌƵŝƚŵĞŶƚ͕ƚŚĞŐƌŽŽŵŝŶŐ͕ĂŶĚƚŚĞĂďƵƐĞŽĨƵŶĚĞƌĂŐĞŐŝƌůƐĂŶĚŽƚŚĞƌǁŽŵĞŶŝŶƚŚĞ ϭϵϵϬƐĂŶĚƚŚĞĞĂƌůLJϮϬϬϬƐ͘  ^ŽǁŚĞŶĚŝĚLJŽƵĮƌƐƚůĞĂƌŶƚŚĂƚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŚĂĚďĞĞŶĂƌƌĞƐƚĞĚ͍  A ^ĂŵĞƟŵĞĞǀĞƌLJďŽĚLJĞůƐĞĚŝĚ͕ŽŶƚĞůĞǀŝƐŝŽŶ͘  Q tĞƌĞLJŽƵƐƵƌƉƌŝƐĞĚǁŚĞŶLJŽƵůĞĂƌŶĞĚƚŚĂƚƐŚĞΖĚďĞĞŶĂƌƌĞƐƚĞĚ͍  A dŚĞƌĞŚĂĚďĞĞŶĂůŽƚŽĨƉƌĞƐƐůĞĂĚŝŶŐƵƉƚŽƚŚĂƚ͕ƐŽ/ĚŽŶΖƚƚŚŝŶŬĂƚƚŚĂƚƉŽŝŶƚ/ǁĂƐ surprised. Q tŚĂƚǁĂƐLJŽƵƌŝŶŝƟĂůƌĞĂĐƟŽŶǁŚĞŶLJŽƵĮƌƐƚŚĞĂƌĚĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞƌƵŵŽƌƐƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁŽƵůĚ be -- ŽƌŚĂĚďĞĞŶĂƌƌĞƐƚĞĚ͍  A It was quite surreal. BY MR. SPECTRE: Q ƉƉƌŽdžŝŵĂƚĞůLJǁŚĞŶĚŽLJŽƵƚŚŝŶŬLJŽƵǁĞƌĞĂǁĂƌĞƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐĂƉĞƌƐŽŶŽĨŝŶƚĞƌĞƐƚŽĨ ƐŽŵĞŬŝŶĚďLJůĂǁĞŶĨŽƌĐĞŵĞŶƚ͍  /ĂƐƐƵŵĞƉƌŝŽƌƚŽ:ƵůLJϮŶĚ͕ϮϬϮϬ͕ďĂƐĞĚŽŶLJŽƵƌƚĞƐƟŵŽŶLJ͘ A /ďĞůŝĞǀĞƚŚĂƚĂƐƚŚĞƉƌĞƐƐĞƐĐĂůĂƚĞĚ -- /ĚŝĚŶΖƚƌĞĂĚĂůŽƚŽĨŝƚ͕ďƵƚŝƚǁĂƐŬŝŶĚŽĨ ƵŶĂǀŽŝĚĂďůĞ͘  ^ŽŝƚǁŽƵůĚΖǀĞďĞĞŶĂŌĞƌƚŚĂƚDŝĂŵŝ,ĞƌĂůĚĂƌƟĐůĞ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬ͘  dŚĞƌĞǁĂƐĂŐƌĞĂƚĂƌƟĐůĞ ƚŚĂƚĞdžƉŽƐĞĚĂůůŽĨƚŚĂƚ͘  ^Ž/ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŝŶϮϬϭϴŽƌϮϬϭϵ͕ƐŽ -- Q So your -- A ŶĚƚŚĞŶƚŚŝŶŐƐĞƐĐĂůĂƚĞĚĂŌĞƌƚŚĂƚ͘  Q ^ŽũƵƐƚƚŽďĞĐůĞĂƌ͕LJŽƵƌŬŶŽǁůĞĚŐĞŽĨƚŚĞĐƌŝŵĞƐƐŚĞǁĂƐ͕ĂƚƚŚĂƚƟŵĞ͕ĂůůĞŐĞĚƚŽŚĂǀĞ"
8806,7,43,Page 44,,,ĐŽŵŵŝƩĞĚ͕ĐĂŵĞĨƌŽŵŵĞĚŝĂƌĞƉŽƌƚƐĂŶĚŶŽƚĨƌŽŵĂŶLJĮƌƐƚŚĂŶĚŬŶŽǁůĞĚŐĞ͍  A No -- LJĞƐ͕ĐŽƌƌĞĐƚ͘  Q /ƚĐĂŵĞĨƌŽŵŵĞĚŝĂƌĞƉŽƌƚƐ͍  A From media. BY MS. CATHEY: Q ŝĚLJŽƵĚŝƐĐƵƐƐƚŚĞĂůůĞŐĂƟŽŶƐǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĂƚĂŶLJƉŽŝŶƚ͍  A No. Q ŝĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJĐŽŶƚĂĐƚǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůŝŶƚŚĞLJĞĂƌƐƚŚĞŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶǁĂƐŽŶŐŽŝŶŐ͍  A No. Q ŝĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJĐŽŶƚĂĐƚǁŝƚŚŚĞƌĂŌĞƌƐŚĞǁĂƐĂƌƌĞƐƚĞĚ͍  A No. Q ŝĚLJŽƵĂƐƐŝƐƚŚĞƌŝŶĂŶLJǁĂLJŝŶƚŚĞĐƌŝŵŝŶĂůŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶĂŐĂŝŶƐƚŚĞƌ͍  A EŽ͘  EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ŬŶŽǁŽĨ͘  BY MR. SPECTRE: Q ŝĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚ ůŝŶƚŽŶĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞĐƌŝŵĞƐ -- ĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞĨĂĐƚ that Ms. DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐƵŶĚĞƌƐƵƐƉŝĐŝŽŶŽĨƚŚĞƐĞĐƌŝŵĞƐ͍ A Not that I -- /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĚŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶǁŝƚŚŚŝŵĂďŽƵƚŝƚ͘  Q ŽĂŶLJĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶƐŝŶŐĞŶĞƌĂůũƵŵƉŽƵƚƚŽLJŽƵƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŚĂĚǁŝƚŚŽƚŚĞƌƉĞŽƉůĞƚŚĂƚ ŬŶĞǁDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůĚƵƌŝŶŐƚŚĂƚƟŵĞ͍  A Could you -- ĐŽƵůĚLJŽƵďĞŵŽƌĞĐůĞĂƌ͍  Q Yeah. President ůŝŶƚŽŶŝƐĂŶŽƚĂďůĞĮŐƵƌĞƚŚĂƚŬŶĞǁ'ŚŝƐůĂŝŶĞ Maxwell. Were there any other ŶŽƚĂďůĞŝŶĚŝǀŝĚƵĂůƐƚŚĂƚŬŶĞǁDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůů͕ƚŚĂƚLJŽƵŬŶĞǁ͕ƚŚĂƚLJŽƵƌĞĂĐŚĞĚŽƵƚƚŽŽƌƚĂůŬĞĚǁŝƚŚ ĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞĨĂĐƚƚŚĂƚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůǁĂƐƵŶĚĞƌƐƵƐƉŝĐŝŽŶŽĨƚŚĞƐĞĐƌŝŵĞƐ͍  A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůĂŶLJďŽĚLJƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJ͕ůŝŬĞĂŶŽƚĂďůĞƉĞƌƐŽŶ͕ƚĂůŬŝŶŐƚŽƚŚĞŵ͘ 
8807,7,45,Page 46,,,"΀ϭϬ͗ϱϵĂ͘ŵ͘΁ BY MS. CATHEY: Q /ΖŵĂƐŬŝŶŐƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJŝŶƚŚŝƐƋƵĞƐƟŽŶĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞƟŵĞĨƌĂŵĞĂŌĞƌLJŽƵďƌŽŬĞƵƉĂŶĚƚŚĞŶ ůĞĂĚŝŶŐƵƉƚŽŚĞƌĂƌƌĞƐƚ͘  ŝĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƐƵƐƉŝĐŝŽŶƐĂďŽƵƚŚĞƌŝŶǀŽůǀĞŵĞŶƚŝŶĂŶLJŬŝŶĚŽĨĐƌŝŵŝŶĂů ĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐ͍  A No. Q ŽLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJƐƵƐƉŝĐŝŽŶƐ͕ďĂƐĞĚŽŶLJŽƵƌƟŵĞĚĂƟŶŐŚĞƌ͕ƚŚĂƚǁŽƵůĚŚĂǀĞůĞĚLJŽƵƚŽ ďĞůŝĞǀĞƚŚĞŝŶǀĞƐƟŐĂƟŽŶǁĂƐǁĂƌƌĂŶƚĞĚ͍ A EŽƚŚŝŶŐƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĂůůLJƌĞĐĂůů͘  dŚĞƌĞǁĂƐƚŚŝŶŐƐĂƌŽƵŶĚDƌ͘ Epstein, and she always ĚĞŶŝĞĚĂŶLJĚŝƌĞĐƚŝŶǀŽůǀĞŵĞŶƚŝŶĂŶLJŽĨƚŚŽƐĞŝƐƐƵĞƐƐŽ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͘  dŚĞƌĞǁĂƐŚŝƐϮϬϬϴĐŽŶǀŝĐƟŽŶ͕ ǁŚŝĐŚǁĞĚŝƐĐƵƐƐĞĚĂŶĚƐŚĞĚĞŶŝĞĚŚĂǀŝŶŐĂŶLJŝŶǀŽůǀĞŵĞŶƚǁŝƚŚƚŚĂƚ͘ Q ,ŽǁŵĂŶLJƟŵĞƐĚŝĚLJŽƵƚĂůŬĂďŽƵƚƚŚĂƚǁŝƚŚŚĞƌ͍  >ĞƚŵĞƌĞƉŚƌĂƐĞ͗  ŝĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞ ŵƵůƟƉůĞĚŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶƐǁŝƚŚDƐ͘ DĂdžǁĞůůǁŚĞƌĞƐŚĞŽǀĞƌĂŶĚŽǀĞƌĚĞŶŝĞĚƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐŝŶǀŽůǀĞĚ͍ A /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůŚĂǀŝŶŐŵƵůƟƉůĞĚŝƐĐƵƐƐŝŽŶƐ͘ Q ^ŽLJŽƵďĞůŝĞǀĞĚŚĞƌǁŚĞŶƐŚĞƐĂŝĚƐŚĞǁĂƐŶΖƚŝŶǀŽůǀĞĚ͍ A I had no reason not to. Ms. Cathey. /ƚŚŝŶŬƚŚĂƚΖƐĂŐŽŽĚƐƚŽƉƉŝŶŐƉŽŝŶƚ͘  tĞΖůůŐŽŽīƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚĨŽƌƚŚŝƐĮƌƐƚŚŽƵƌ͘  dŚĂŶŬLJŽƵ͘  ΀ZĞĐĞƐƐ͘΁ BY : Q ^ŽǁĞĐĂŶŐŽďĂĐŬŽŶƚŚĞƌĞĐŽƌĚ͘  'ŽŽĚŵŽƌŶŝŶŐ͕Dƌ͘ tĂŝƩ͘  DLJŶĂŵĞŝƐ  /ǁŝůůďĞĚŽŝŶŐŵŽƐƚŽĨƚŚĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶĨŽƌƚŚĞŵŝŶŽƌŝƚLJƚŽĚĂLJ͘  tĞĂƉƉƌĞĐŝĂƚĞLJŽƵĐŽŵŝŶŐŝŶ͕ ǁĞĂƉƉƌĞĐŝĂƚĞLJŽƵƌƟŵĞ͘  ƐLJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ƚŽĚĂLJΖƐĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝůůĨŽĐƵƐŽŶLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉƐǁŝƚŚ ƉƌŝŵĂƌŝůLJ'ŚŝƐůĂŝŶĞDĂdžǁĞůů͕ĂƐǁĞůůĂƐƐŽŵĞƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐĂďŽƵƚ:ĞīƌĞLJƉƐƚĞŝŶ͘  ^ŽŵĞŽĨƚŚĞ ƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐǁĞĂƐŬŵŝŐŚƚďĞĂůŝƩůĞƌĞƉĞƟƟǀĞďƵƚ/ΖŵŐŽŝŶŐƚŽĚŽŵLJďĞƐƚƚŽŬĞĞƉƚŚĂƚƚŽĂďĂƌĞ"
8808,7,46,Page 47,,,"ŵŝŶŝŵƵŵ͘  ^ŽƚŚĂƚΖƐǁŚĂƚ/ΖůůƐƚƌŝǀĞĨŽƌ͘  :ƵƐƚŚĂĚƚǁŽƋƵŝĐŬĨŽůůŽǁ-ƵƉƋƵĞƐƟŽŶƐŽŶĐŽŶƚĞŶƚŝŶƚŚĞƉƌĞǀŝŽƵƐƌŽƵŶĚ͖ŽŶĞ͕ǁŝƚŚƌĞƐƉĞĐƚƚŽ ƚŚĞĚŝŶŶĞƌŝŶ,ŽŶŐ<ŽŶŐǁŚĞƌĞLJŽƵĮƌƐƚŵĞƚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůů͘  :ƵƐƚĨŽƌŵLJĐůĂƌŝĮĐĂƟŽŶ͕LJŽƵǁĞƌĞŶŽƚ ŽŶƚŚĂƚƚƌŝƉƚŚĂƚWƌĞƐŝĚĞŶƚůŝŶƚŽŶǁĂƐŽŶ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚƌŝŐŚƚ͍  A No, I was not on that trip. Q tĞƌĞLJŽƵĂůƌĞĂĚLJŝŶ,ŽŶŐ<ŽŶŐ͍ A Yes. Q ƵƐŝŶĞƐƐŽƌƐŽŵĞƚŚŝŶŐůŝŬĞƚŚĂƚ͍ A I was there on business. I saw in the newspapers that President Clinton was in town. Q /ƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚ͘  ŶĚ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ǁŚĞŶLJŽƵĂƌƌŝǀĞĚĂƚƚŚĂƚĚŝŶŶĞƌ͕ĂƐĨĂƌĂƐLJŽƵĐĂŶ ƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌ͕ĚŝĚLJŽƵŚĂǀĞĂŶLJŬŶŽǁůĞĚŐĞŽĨǁŚŽDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶŽƌDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůǁĞƌĞ͍ A No. Q KŶĞŽƚŚĞƌƋƵĞƐƟŽŶǁĂƐǁŝƚŚƌĞƐƉĞĐƚƚŽƚŚĞŵĞĞƟŶŐLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĚ͕ŬŝŶĚŽĨƚŚĞŽŶĞ ŵŽƌĞƐƵďƐƚĂŶƟǀĞŵĞĞƟŶŐǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͕ƚŚĂƚǁĂƐĂůŝƩůĞŽĚĚ͘  /ũƵƐƚŵŝŐŚƚŶŽƚŚĂǀĞŚĞĂƌĚŝƚ͕ďƵƚ ǁĂƐƚŚĞƌĞĂŶĂƉƉƌŽdžŝŵĂƚĞĚĂƚĞĨŽƌƚŚĂƚŵĞĞƟŶŐ͍ A ĂƌůLJϮϬϬϰ͘ Q ŶĚƚŚĂƚŵĞĞƟŶŐ͕ǁĂƐƚŚĂƚĂƚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůΖƐEĞǁzŽƌŬŚŽŵĞ͍ A Yes. Q tĞƌĞƚŚĞƚŚƌĞĞŽĨLJŽƵƚŚĞŽŶůLJƉĞŽƉůĞƉƌĞƐĞŶƚĂƚƚŚĂƚŵĞĞƟŶŐ͍ A ^ŚĞǁĂƐŶŽƚƉƌĞƐĞŶƚĂƚƚŚĂƚŵĞĞƟŶŐ͘ Q Oh, ũƵƐƚƚŚĞƚǁŽŽĨLJŽƵ͍ A :ƵƐƚƚŚĞƚǁŽŽĨƵƐ͕LJĞƐ͘ Q 'Žƚŝƚ͕ŽŬĂLJ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬLJŽƵŚĂĚƐĂŝĚ͕ďƵƚŝƐƚŚĂƚƚŚĞŽŶůLJƟŵĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĞǀĞƌŚĂĚĂŽŶĞŽŶ ŽŶĞũƵƐƚƚŚĞƚǁŽŽĨLJŽƵŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƟŽŶǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍ A Yes."
8809,7,47,Page 48,,,"Q Could you -- LJŽƵƚŽƵĐŚĞĚŽŶŝƚŝŶƚŚĞƉƌĞǀŝŽƵƐƌŽƵŶĚ͕ďƵƚĐŽƵůĚLJŽƵƚƌLJ͕ĨƌŽŵϯϬ͕ϬϬϬ͕ ĨĞĞƚƚŽũƵƐƚĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞƚŚĞŐĞŶĞƌĂůĂƌĐŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůů͍  /ŬŶŽǁǁŚĞŶŝƚƐƚĂƌƚĞĚ͕ /ŬŶŽǁǁŚĞŶŝƚĞŶĚĞĚ͘  ŝĚŝƚƐŽƌƚŽĨŐĞƚŐƌĂĚƵĂůůLJŵŽƌĞƐĞƌŝŽƵƐďĞĨŽƌĞŝƚƚĂƉĞƌĞĚŽī͍  ,ŽǁĚŽLJŽƵ ǀŝĞǁŝŶƐƵŵŵĂƌLJƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͍ A /ŵĞĂŶ͕ŝŶƐƵŵŵĂƌLJŝƚǁĂƐ͕ůŝŬĞ/ƐĂŝĚ͕ŝƚƐƚĂƌƚĞĚŝŶϮϬϬϰ͕ĞŶĚĞĚŝŶϮϬϭϬ͘  /ΖŵƚƌLJŝŶŐƚŽ ĮŐƵƌĞŽƵƚĞdžĂĐƚůLJǁŚĂƚLJŽƵΖƌĞůŽŽŬŝŶŐ -- Q tĞůů͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕LJŽƵƚĂůŬĞĚĂďŽƵƚĂƚƚŚĞƉŽŝŶƚŽĨƚŚĞƐĞƉĂƌĂƟŽŶ͕ŶŽƚŚĂǀŝŶŐƉĞƌĐĞŝǀĞĚĂ ƌĞĂůŝƐƟĐƉƌŽďĂďŝůŝƚLJŽĨŵĂƌƌŝĂŐĞ͘  A Yes. Q tĂƐƚŚĂƚĂůǁĂLJƐLJŽƵƌƉĞƌĐĞƉƟŽŶŽƌǁĂƐƚŚĞƌĞĂƉŽŝŶƚŚĂůĨǁĂLJƚŚƌŽƵŐŚǁŚĞŶLJŽƵ ƚŚŽƵŐŚƚŵĂLJďĞƚŚŝƐŝƐŚĞĂĚŝŶŐĨŽƌŵĂƌƌŝĂŐĞ͘  ,ŽǁĚŝĚƚŚĂƚƵŶĨŽůĚ͍  A zĞĂŚ͕ĂŐĂŝŶ͕ĨƌŽŵƚŚĞďĞŐŝŶŶŝŶŐŽĨƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͕/ǁĂƐǀĞƌLJĐůĞĂƌƚŚĂƚ/ǁĂƐŶŽƚŐŽŝŶŐ to marry her. I was not -- /ǁĂƐŐŽŝŶŐƚŚƌŽƵŐŚĂĚŝǀŽƌĐĞ͘  /ǁĂƐŶŽƚůŽŽŬŝŶŐƚŽŐĞƚŵĂƌƌŝĞĚĂŶLJƟŵĞ ƐŽŽŶ͘  /ŚĂĚĨŽƵƌĐŚŝůĚƌĞŶ͕ƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŵLJďŝŐƉƌŝŽƌŝƚLJ͘  /ǁŽƵůĚƐĂLJƚŚĂƚƚŚĞƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁĂƐŬŝŶĚŽĨ͕/ĚŽŶΖƚǁĂŶƚƚŽĐĂůůŝƚŽŶĂŶĚŽīĂŐĂŝŶ͕ďĞĐĂƵƐĞ/ ǁĂƐǁŝƚŚŵLJŬŝĚƐĂůŽƚŽĨƚŚĞƟŵĞƐŽĞǀĞƌLJŽƚŚĞƌǁĞĞŬ/ŚĂĚƚŚĞŵĨƵůů-ƟŵĞĐƵƐƚŽĚLJĂŶĚƚŚĞŶƐŚĞ ǁŽƵůĚďĞŽīĚŽŝŶŐŚĞƌƚŚŝŶŐ͕ƐŽ͘  Q ŶĚǁŚĞŶLJŽƵĮƌƐƚŵĞƚĂŶĚǁŚĞŶLJŽƵĮƌƐƚƐƚĂƌƚĞĚĚĂƟŶŐDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůů͕ůĞƚΖƐƐĂLJLJŽƵƌ ƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚŝŶŐŽĨŚĞƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͕ĐĞƌƚĂŝŶůLJŝƚǁĂƐƚŚĂƚƚŚĞLJǁĞƌĞŶŽůŽŶŐĞƌ ƌŽŵĂŶƟĐĂůůLJĐŽŶŶĞĐƚĞĚ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚĐŽƌƌĞĐƚ͍  A Yes. Q ŶĚLJŽƵƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁŽƌŬĞĚĨŽƌDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍ A Yes. Q And what was your understanding -- /ƚŚŝŶŬLJŽƵƚŽƵĐŚĞĚŽŶŝƚ͕ďƵƚLJŽƵƌƵŶĚĞƌƐƚĂŶĚŝŶŐ ŽĨǁŚĂƚĞdžĂĐƚůLJƐŚĞĚŝĚĨŽƌDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶǁŚĞŶLJŽƵĂŶĚƐŚĞĮƌƐƚƐƚĂƌƚĞĚĚĂƟŶŐ͍"
8810,7,48,Page 49,,,"A Something -- an estate or a property manager type. Q ,ŝƐǀĂƌŝŽƵƐƉŚLJƐŝĐĂůƉƌŽƉĞƌƟĞƐ͍ A Yes. Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůů͕ƚŽƚŚĞďĞƐƚŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞĐŽůůĞĐƟŽŶ͕ĞǀĞƌŵĞŶƟŽŶŵĂƐƐĂŐĞƐŝŶƚŚĞĐŽŶƚĞdžƚ ŽĨŚĞƌǁŽƌŬŝŶŐĨŽƌDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍ A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌŵĞŶƟŽŶĂƌƌĂŶŐŝŶŐĨŽƌDƌ͘ Epstein to meet or hire girls or young ǁŽŵĞŶ͍ A džĐƵƐĞŵĞ͍  Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌŵĞŶƟŽŶ͕ŝŶŚĞƌǁŽƌŬĨŽƌDƌ͘ Epstein, helping him, meaning Mr. ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͕ŚŝƌĞŽƌŵĞĞƚŐŝƌůƐŽƌLJŽƵŶŐǁŽŵĞŶŝŶĂŶLJĐĂƉĂĐŝƚLJ͍ A Not that -- ŶŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘  /ŶĂŶLJĐĂƉĂĐŝƚLJ -- LJĞĂŚ͕ŶŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌĚŝƐĐƵƐƐDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐƐĞdžƵĂůŽƌƌŽŵĂŶƟĐůŝĨĞŝŶĂŶLJǁĂLJ͍ A Only as it related to their past. Q EŽƚĂƚĂůůĂƐŝƚƌĞůĂƚĞĚƚŽŽƚŚĞƌǁŽŵĞŶ͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚƌŝŐŚƚ͍ A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌĞdžƉƌĞƐƐĐŽŶĐĞƌŶƚŚĂƚĂŶLJŽĨDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐ͕ĂŶLJŽĨDƌ͘ ƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐ͕ŵĂLJŚĂǀĞďĞĞŶĐƌŝŵŝŶĂůŽƌĞƚŚŝĐĂůůLJƉƌŽďůĞŵĂƟĐ͍ A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶ-- ŶŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q /ŝŵĂŐŝŶĞƚŚĞĂŶƐǁĞƌƚŽƚŚŝƐŝƐƉƌŽďĂďůLJLJĞƐ͗  ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌĚŝƐĐƵƐƐŚĞƌŽǁŶ ƉĂƐƚƌŽŵĂŶƟĐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶ͍ A Yes. Q tŚĂƚǁĂƐƚŚĞŐĞŶĞƌĂůŶĂƚƵƌĞŽĨŚŽǁƐŚĞĐŚĂƌĂĐƚĞƌŝnjĞĚƚŚĞŝƌƉƌĞǀŝŽƵƐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͍ A ŽLJĨƌŝĞŶĚ͕ŐŝƌůĨƌŝĞŶĚ͘ Q EĞǀĞƌŵŽƌĞƐĞƌŝŽƵƐƚŚĂŶƚŚĂƚ͕ĂƐĨĂƌĂƐLJŽƵƌĞŵĞŵďĞƌ͍"
8811,7,49,Page 50,,,"A /ďĞůŝĞǀĞŝƚǁĂƐĂƐĞƌŝŽƵƐƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉ͘ Q ŝĚƐŚĞĞǀĞƌĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶĨŽƌƚŚĞŝƌďƌĞĂŬƵƉ͍ A ^ŚĞĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĚŝƚĂƚŽŶĞƉŽŝŶƚ͕ŝƚǁĂƐŽŶŚĞƌϰϬƚŚďŝƌƚŚĚĂLJ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬŚĞďƌŽŬĞƵƉǁŝƚŚŚĞƌĂƚ that point. Q ŝĚƐŚĞŚĂǀĞĂƉĞƌƐƉĞĐƟǀĞƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůůĂƐƚŽƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶĨŽƌƚŚĞďƌĞĂŬƵƉ͕ŽƌǁŚĂƚ Dƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶƐĂŝĚƚŚĞƌĞĂƐŽŶĨŽƌƚŚĞďƌĞĂŬƵƉǁĂƐ͍  A zĞĂŚ͘  /ŵĞĂŶ͕/ďĞůŝĞǀĞƐŚĞŵĞŶƟŽŶĞĚ͕LJŽƵŬŶŽǁ͕ƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐŐĞƫŶŐƚŽŽŽůĚĨŽƌŚŝŵ͘  Q ŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůů-- ĂŶĚƚŚŝƐŝƐŐŽŝŶŐďĂĐŬĂůŝƩůĞďŝƚ͕ďƵƚĚŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůǁŚĞƚŚĞƌ͕ĨƌŽŵŚĞƌ ƉŽŝŶƚŽĨǀŝĞǁ͕ŝĨƐŚĞǁĂƐŚƵƌƚďLJƚŚĂƚ͕ƵŶƐƵƌƉƌŝƐĞĚďLJƚŚĂƚ͕ƐĂŝĚƚŚĂƚΖƐƉĞƌĨĞĐƚůLJŝŶůŝŶĞǁŝƚŚǁŚĂƚ/ ŬŶŽǁĂďŽƵƚ:ĞīƌĞLJ͘  ŽLJŽƵŬŶŽǁĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐĂďŽƵƚŚĞƌƌĞĂĐƟŽŶƚŽƚŚĂƚ͍ A I would be guessing, but I would assume she was hurt by that. Q EŽƐƉĞĐŝĮĐƌĞĐŽůůĞĐƟŽŶŽĨĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐƐŚĞŵŝŐŚƚŚĂǀĞƐĂŝĚŽƌŚŽǁƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJƐŚĞƌĞĂĐƚĞĚ ŝŶĐŽŶǀĞƌƐĂƟŽŶǁŝƚŚLJŽƵ͍ A EŽƚŚŝŶŐ/ĐĂŶƐƉĞĐŝĮĐĂůůLJƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌĞdžƉƌĞƐƐĐŽŶĐĞƌŶƚŚĂƚŚĞƌŽǁŶĂĐƟŽŶƐǁŝƚŚƌĞƐƉĞĐƚƚŽDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶ ŵĂLJŚĂǀĞďĞĞŶĐƌŝŵŝŶĂůŽƌĞƚŚŝĐĂůůLJƉƌŽďůĞŵĂƟĐ͍ A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q ŝĚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĞǀĞƌƐĂLJƚŚĂƚƐŚĞŚĂĚĞŶŐĂŐĞĚŝŶƐĞdžƵĂůĂĐƟǀŝƟĞƐǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶĂŶĚ ŽƚŚĞƌǁŽŵĞŶ͍ A EŽƚƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘ Q zŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĚ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬŝŶŐĞŶĞƌĂůƚĞƌŵƐ͕ƚŚĞŶĂƚƵƌĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶ ŽǀĞƌƚŚĞĐŽƵƌƐĞŽĨLJŽƵƌƌĞůĂƟŽŶƐŚŝƉǁŝƚŚDƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůĂŶĚƚŚĂƚǁĂƐŶŽƚǀĞƌLJŵƵĐŚ͘  /ƚƐŽƵŶĚƐůŝŬĞ ǁĞĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĚŵĂLJďĞƚŚƌĞĞŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƟŽŶƐƚŚĂƚLJŽƵĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘  /ƐƚŚĂƚďĂůůƉĂƌŬĨĂŝƌ͍ A zĞĂŚ͕ƚŚƌĞĞŽƌĨŽƵƌ͘ Q ŶĚŽŶĞŽĨƚŚŽƐĞǁĂƐŽŶĞŽŶŽŶĞĂŶĚƚŚĂƚΖƐƚŚĞŵĞĞƟŶŐǁĞƉƌĞǀŝŽƵƐůLJĚŝƐĐƵƐƐĞĚ͘ "
8812,7,50,Page 51,,,"A Yes. Q tŚĂƚĚŽLJŽƵƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĞĂďŽƵƚƚŚĞŶĂƚƵƌĞŽĨƚŚĞŽƚŚĞƌƚǁŽŽƌƚŚƌĞĞ͍ A dŚĞLJǁĞƌĞũƵƐƚďƌŝĞĨĞŶĐŽƵŶƚĞƌƐ͕ůŝŬĞ͕ŽŶĂƐƚƌĞĞƚŽƌ ŽŶĞǁĂƐŝŶEĞǁzŽƌŬĂŶĚŽŶĞ/ƚŚŝŶŬ was in St. Barts. Q ŽĞƐƚŚĞĚŝŶŶĞƌŝŶ,ŽŶŐ<ŽŶŐ͕ŝƐƚŚĂƚďĞŝŶŐĐŽƵŶƚĞĚĂƐŽŶĞŽĨƚŚĞƐĞƚǁŽŽƌƚŚƌĞĞ͍  A zĞƐ͕ŽŶĞŽĨƚŚŽƐĞĨŽƵƌ͘  &ŽƵƌƚŚĂƚ/ĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůů͘  Q KŬĂLJ͘  tŚĂƚǁĂƐƚŚĞ^ƚ͘ĂƌƚƐŝŶƚĞƌĂĐƟŽŶ͍ A /ǁĂƐũƵƐƚůŝƚĞƌĂůůLJǁĂůŬŝŶŐĚŽǁŶƚŚĞƐƚƌĞĞƚ͘ Q /ŶƚŚĞƚŽǁŶ͍ A In the town. Q tŚĂƚĚŝĚLJŽƵŐĞŶĞƌĂůůLJŬŶŽǁŽƌďĞůŝĞǀĞ͕ŝĨĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐ͕ĂďŽƵƚƉƐƚĞŝŶΖƐƉĞƌƐŽŶĂůůŝĨĞ͍ A EŽƚŵƵĐŚ͘ Q ŝĚLJŽƵŬŶŽǁŽƌŚĞĂƌĂƚĂůůĂďŽƵƚǁŚĞƚŚĞƌŚĞǁĂƐĚĂƟŶŐ͍ A There -- ŽŶƚŚĞƚǁŽŽĐĐĂƐŝŽŶƐƚŚĂƚ/ƌĂŶŝŶƚŽŚŝŵ͕ŚĞŚĂĚƐŽŵĞŽŶĞǁŚŽ/ĂƐƐƵŵĞĚǁĂƐ ŚŝƐŐŝƌůĨƌŝĞŶĚǁŝƚŚŚŝŵ͘  /ƚǁĂƐƚŚĞƐĂŵĞĨĞŵĂůĞĞĂĐŚƟŵĞ͘ Q /ΖŵƐŽƌƌLJ͕ƚŚĞƚǁŽǁĞƌĞ^ƚ͘ĂƌƚƐ͕ĂŶĚǁŚĂƚǁĂƐƚŚĞŽƚŚĞƌ͍ A EĞǁzŽƌŬ͘ Q EĞǁzŽƌŬ͕ŐŽƚŝƚ͘  ĂŶLJŽƵĚĞƐĐƌŝďĞĂŶLJƚŚŝŶŐLJŽƵĐĂŶLJŽƵĐĂŶƌĞĐĂůůĂďŽƵƚƚŚĂƚƉĞƌƐŽŶ͍  A ^ŚĞůŽŽŬĞĚůŝŬĞĂŵŽĚĞůƚLJƉĞ͕ĂƉƉĞĂƌĞĚƚŽďĞŝŶŚĞƌůŽǁĞƌƚǁĞŶƟĞƐ͕ĞĂƐƚĞƌŶƵƌŽƉĞĂŶ͕/ believe. Q ŶĚĚŝĚDƌ͘ƉƐƚĞŝŶŝŶƚƌŽĚƵĐĞLJŽƵƚŽŚĞƌ͍ A /ƚŚŝŶŬƐŽ͘  /ƚŚŝŶŬ -- DƐ͘DĂdžǁĞůůŬŶĞǁŚĞƌĂŶĚŬŶĞǁŚĞƌŶĂŵĞ͘  /ĚŽŶΖƚƌĞĐĂůůŚĞƌ name. Q tŚĂƚĂůůŽǁƐLJŽƵƚŽƌĞĐĂůůƚŚĂƚƐŚĞǁĂƐĞĂƐƚĞƌŶƵƌŽƉĞĂŶ͍ A /ŚĞĂƌĚŚĞƌĂĐĐĞŶƚ͕/ƚŚŝŶŬƐŽ͘"