{"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_count": 63, "url": "https://epstein-data.com/EFTA00090036", "pdf_url": "https://epstein-data.com/pdf/EFTA00090036.pdf", "pages": [{"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 0, "text_content": "5/4/2021 9:05 AM \nUNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT \nSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK \nx \n• \n• \n• \n• \nX \nDate: \nTime: \nParticipants: \nEFTA00090036\n", "char_count": 139}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 1, "text_content": "1 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: \n[II]: Hey there. \n.]: \n- you- he's four and a half months. Say hi, come on, say hi \nto her. [U/I) \n[II]: Hi, hello. Hello. \n[II]: Say hi, get your baby. \n[II]: Hello. \n[II]: On (U/I) \n[II]: Hello. \n[II]: Say hi. Say hi. Get your baby. (U/I) baby. \n[II]: Oh, look at you guys. \n[II]: Say hi. Okay. Okay. Would you like some water? \n[UM1): No thanks. \nIII): I'm good, thank you. \n[II]: Happy to help in any way I possibly can. \n[II]: No, you're- you've been more than gracious already, and I thank \nyou for your time. \n[II]: Oh, you're welcome. \n[II]: Do you mind if we sit down? \n[II]: No, please that's- do you want one of those? I could get another \nchair if you want to sit there. \n(UM1): [U/I) \n[II]: They are good lookin' dogs. That's nice. \n[II]: Yeah, they're sweet. \n[II]: Good for them. Okay, um, you're probably under some time \nconstraints. \n[II]: I have an hour. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. But I have a little less than an hour because I have to \nwalk my dogs. \nEFTA00090037\n", "char_count": 1086}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 2, "text_content": "2 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nCUM1): Okay. \n[II]: (U/I) not coming until 4:45. \n[II]: Well then, we will try to get this done as-\n[II]: Okay. \n- quickly as we can and then if not, we can always reschedule. \nI'll (U/I1 \n[II]: Are you recording this? \n[II]: I am, is that okay? \n[II]: Yes, go for it. \n[II]: Okay. Alright, let me get this all set up. So, I'm Special Agent \nThis ism.\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Uh, you can call me \nIII): Okay. \nIII): You're fine as far as that goes. Um, you are not in any trouble, \nuh-\n(II]: No, I know. \n[II]: You- I'm sure you already kinda have an idea in terms of what \nwe're looking, uh, into and things like that, but just, uh, for \nclarity's sake, we are looking into some things that went on at \nZorro Ranch, here in New Mexico. Uh, we've been given some \ninformation that you might be familiar with the ranch and with \nJeff Epstein- Epstein. Uh-\n[II]: (U/I1 starting to watch (U/I) \n[II]: - and maybe some of the other people, so, we wanted to talk to \nyou about it. Um, you're under no obligation to talk to us. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Uh, you can kick us out if you want to kick us out. Uh, we don't \nplan on yelling or whatever it is that they do on TV, we plan on \nbeing incredibly nice. \nEFTA00090038\n", "char_count": 1300}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 3, "text_content": "3 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nII): Okay. \nII): So, uh, as long as you don't try to hit one of us, I think we'll \nall-\n[II): You won't have a problem. \n[II]: - I think we'll all just be okay. \n[II]: Not at all. \n[II]: Okay, so-\n[II]: Happy to help. \n[II]: We'll start off with the easy questions, and I know you're \npressed for time, so we'll probably segue into some pretty direct \nquestions after that. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Usually it- we spend more time, uh, but don't take offense to it \nif we just kinda jump forward. \n[II]: That's fine. \n[II]: Uh-\n[II]: I'll do my best to answer it however I can. \n[II]: Okay. So, what is your full name? \n[M]: \nI don't need to (U/I] \n[II]: And what's your date of birth? \n[M]: \n[II]: And how old are you right now, if you don't mind me asking? \n[III: Oh, III \n[II]: Okay. And where do you live? \n[U] \nI live in \n[II]: What's your address? \n[a]: \nexcuse me. \n[II]: Okay. And I've got a phone number for you: \n[II]: That's business, yes. \n[II]: Okay. Is that a good number to contact you at? \nEFTA00090039\n", "char_count": 1104}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 4, "text_content": "4 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nII): Yeah, or my cell that I called you at. \nII): Okay. And, despite the fact that we're sitting here, how are you \nemployed? \n[II]: I'm a therapist. So, I've been a therapist for twenty-four years \nand do reflexology very rarely, but that's what I did at Zorro \nRanch since, uh- for thirty-five years. Since 1984. \n[II]: So, reflexology for thirty-four years? \n[II]: Thirty-five. \n[II]: Thirty-five years. \n[II]: Twenty-four years as a psychotherapist. \n[II]: Okay. Well, you seem to be a jack of all trades. You can fix my \nmind and my body. \n(III: Well, I mostly do this. I do this very rarely, but sure, people \nwho have neuropathy, recently, otherwise it's a storage table. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: And just so you know, we'll take notes while you're talking. \n[II]: That's fine. \n[II]: It always looks really rude, `cause I'm not looking at you while \nyou're talking but-\n(III: I do that with my-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - with my counseling clients-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - I get it. \n[II]: I just-\n[II]: No, no, I understand completely. \n[II]: - I don't want to come across that way, so. Okay, uh, so, \ntherapist for twenty-four years, reflexology for thirty-four \nyears. \nEFTA00090040\n", "char_count": 1285}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 5, "text_content": "5 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Thirty-five. \n[II]: Thirty-five. Sorry. \n[II]: So, 1985- or 84, uh, started reflexology back in \nand \nthen, um, I've been out here since \nand then I've been a \ntherapist since \n[II]: What part of \n[II]: Uh, \n[II]: I was born in \n[II]: You were? \n[II]: I was. \n[II]: My family moved to \n[II]: Nice. My family moved to \n[II]: Did they? \n[III: Yeah. Okay, uh, what- what qualifications do you have to be a \ntherapist and to be a reflexologist? \n[II]: Well, I got cer- as a reflexologist, I got certified through the \nNational Institute of Reflexology and then, uh, through, uh, \nand then I went over to England and \nstarted (U/I] with (U/I]. Um, he founded the College of \nReflexology in London, or n- outside of London. And then I kinda \n(U/I] him for about three weeks-\n[II - 5:04]: Okay. \n[II]: - while I was getting license certification. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: And here, I've a masters in, uh, excuse me- I'm an LPCC, which \nis a licensed professional clinical counselor. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: And that makes you a psychotherapist. I can't, um, diagnose. \nExcuse me, I can diagnose, but I can't prescribe meds. \n(II): Okay. \nEFTA00090041\n", "char_count": 1235}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 6, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Yeah. And this is my passion. \n[II]: Is it? \n[II]: Yeah. Oh, I love it. \n[II]: Good. Good for you. I may come see you at some point. \n[II]: Yeah, solution, focus-based therapist. \nIII]: Good. Alright, um, for the most part, that's the background that \nI wanna go over, so now we'll kinda jump into some of the other \nstuff, again, just `cause you're kinda pressed for time. Um, you \nknow that we're looking into Zorro Ranch and Jeff Epstein. Can \nyou tell us how you're familiar- how you're familiar with, uh, \nJeff and what the- and what the ranch-\n[II]: I was introduced to go over there as a reflexologist by a woman \nname dI \n, you probably have her information, too. \nIII): Yeah. \n[III: She was, I think, a massage therapist for them. She was also a \npeer, she's a colleague, she's, uh, also a psychotherapist. I \nthink she's recently retired, but I'm not sure, so I can't speak \nfor her. I haven't talked to her ear-to-ear, but she's the one \nwho said, \"would you like to do reflexology? I [U/I] clients \nthat- if you'd like that.\" \n[II): Okay. \n[II]: So, that's how I originally was introduced to Zorro Ranch. \n[II]: Okay. Was she employed there? \nIII]: She- I mean, she worked for them whenever they hired her for a \nmassage. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I don't- I can't really speak, `cause I don't know. \n[II]: Okay. \nIII]: I mean, she was working for them and then she- they want-\nGhislaine Maxwell wanted her feet worked on and so, I'm the \nEFTA00090042\n", "char_count": 1555}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 7, "text_content": "7 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nreflexologist that they hired. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Ghislaine Maxwell? \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: What year was that? \n[II]: I think the first, uh, first treatment was probably in 1999. And \nthe last one was in 2008 when I-\n[II]: Hey, sweetheart. \n[II]: Irvin come on sweetie, go lie down. Sorry. I don't want him to \ng-\nIUM1): No, no. \nIII): Goof your pants up. \nIII): No, you're okay. \n[III: I'll put him on a leash. \n[II]: You're okay. I have dogs. I'm pretty sure you- do you-\nIUM1]: I do. \n(II]: Yes. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah, we'll be okay. We'll survive it. \n[II]: Good. \n[II]: Okay, so, I'm sorry, in 1999? \n(II]: I think was the very first treatment, I mean, I- I didn't do it \nregularly, but I- whenever they came into town, or I'd- actually, \nit was Ghislaine that I worked on mostly. \n[II]: Okay. \nIII]: So, Jeffrey, I think I, I'd have to look at my records, but \nJeffrey, I worked probably three times on from `99 to 2008. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I hardly ever saw the man. Okay. \nEFTA00090043\n", "char_count": 1104}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 8, "text_content": "8 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Okay, so we're lookin' on and off from '99 to '08. \n[II]: Correct. \n[II]: Okay. And you worked in- on Ghislaine mostly-\n[III: A 1-\nICW): - uh, but Jeff sometimes? \nIII): It's- no, I'm talking- I mean, like, Jeff, maybe three times in \nall those years. I don't know if it's two times, three times, but \nthat was it. He was hardly ever there. \n[II]: Okay. \n[Il]\n: Yeah. \n[II]: And you said-\n[II]: If he was there, then I- I didn't see him. \n[II]: Okay. And you said that you have records for all of that stuff? \n[II]: I mean, in my invoice. When I say-\n[II]: Invoicing-\n[II]: Invoices, yeah. \n[II]: Okay. Who would you invoice? \n[II]: Zorro Ranch. \n[II]: Zorro Ranch. \n[II]: And I don't remember the name of the c- the housekeepers at the \ntime. But then, so- I don't know what you want me- I'm just going \nto wait until you ask me questions versus just telling you my \nexperience. Would that be better? \n[II]: If y- if you feel like there's something important that you need \nto say, you say it, what- I'm really linear, so, I'll- I'll make \nsure that, if we start to get off track, we'll come back on \ntrack. \n[II]: Okay. \nAnd again, I don't mean it in a rude way, we're just pressed for \ntime. \nEFTA00090044\n", "char_count": 1309}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 9, "text_content": "9 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: No, that's fine. \n[II]: So, go ahead, please. \n[II]: So, all I was gonna say is, I would go there and since I live in \nthey would- um, she would want a treatment at \nnighttime, so I would drive- I would do that work at night after \nI finished my work here. Then I would go and I would wait in the \nkitchen until the housekeepers, and again, I don't remember their \nnames, but, they would- I'd wait in the kitchen and then they \nwould call me into the- into the library, whatever you call it, \nand then Ghislaine would come in and I'd work on her feet there. \n[II]: Okay. H- how were Jeff and Ghislaine related, if at all? \n[II]: Companions, or-\n[II]: Companions. \n[II]: I don't really know the intimacy details but my understanding, \nback then, I think that they'd been together for thirteen years, \nor whatever, and I think she sort of presented that she- she \nwould manage his properties, but I think that they had a \nrelationship, but I don't really know the details because that's \nnot a part of my business. \n[II]: Okay. So-\n[II]: I mean, I never saw them where they were in any-\nIII]: Together-together. \n[II]: Yeah, together. \n[II]: In any sort of-\n[II]: Yeah, obvious way. \n[II]: I guess romantic way-\n[III]: Right, exactly. \n[II]: Or obvious way. Sure. How many times would you say, and it \ndoesn't have to be exact, how many times would you say you were \nout at the ranch between '99 and '08? \nEFTA00090045\n", "char_count": 1517}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 10, "text_content": "10 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Uh, I'm guessing. (U/I] um-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: Maybe thirty? In nine years. \n(II]: As far as that invoicing goes, `cause that might help us narrow \nthat down a little bit or get a little bit more exact, would you \nhave any problem turning that stuff over to us at some point? \n[II]: No, I mean, I-\n[II]: Not the originals, obviously. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: Like, copies. \n[II]: I mean, I can give you information from it. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. \n(II): Okay. Would you- would you do that? \n(II- 10:001: But what I would do- what I would do in an invoice, is\nwould- would say, \"reflexology session- Ghislaine,\" and so if\nwent back and looked, I would see Jeffrey was in there. Like-\nIII): Okay. \n[II]: -like, it'd be, \"reflexology for thirty-five min- uh, forty-five \nminutes,\" to Jeffrey, and Ghislaine it could have been two hours. \n(II]: Okay. \nYeah. \n(II]: Would you put something like that together for us? I mean, it \ndoesn't have to be today or anything, but maybe just like a-\n[II]: I'll write something up. \n[II]: - like a list or a spreadsheet-\n[II]: Sure, yeah. \n[II]: - or something like that. \n[II]: I can write it up and just give you the dates or how many times I \nworked on them. \nEFTA00090046\n", "char_count": 1310}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 11, "text_content": "11 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Is that what you'd like? Like-\n[.]: Yeah. \n[II]: - how many times I worked on Jeffrey, and how many times-\nIII]: Yeah. That w- yeah-\n[II]: - I worked on Ghislaine. That's fine? \n[II]: - yeah, dates, dates and how many- and- and who it was that you \nsaw that day. \n[II]: Okay. Sure. \n[II]: Did you ever, uh, do any other work out there? \n[II]: No. \n[II]: Did you ever work on anybody else while you were out there? \n[II]: No. No. \nIII): Okay. \nIII]: The only thing that I remember doing, and you have to bear with \nme because I had a car accident, but it was back in 2000, but so, \nit affects my memory a little bit, but, that's why I have to \nrefer to- to, like, looking at invoices, but, um, there was one-\none time when I worked on Jeffrey, he asked one of his massage \ntherapists to come down and have me teach him- her how to do \nreflexology. \n[II]: Do you remember who that was? \n[II]: So, she would sit- no, no idea. Who the name was or anything. So \nshe came down and pulled up a chair and I'm telling her how to \ndo- it- do a session, which isn't really teaching very much in \nthat-\n[II]: (Laughter] \n[II]: - He liked my work. When I did it, again, I only worked on him a \nfew times, but it was very professional. \n(II]: Okay. \nEFTA00090047\n", "char_count": 1363}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 12, "text_content": "12 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nII): Yeah. \nII): And you said that your sessions typically lasted an hour? Is that \nright? \n[II]: Oh, I mean, it's whatever they- however people want it, but \nusually it's an hour, but sometimes she'd want extra time, \nGhislaine would want extra time, so, like, an hour, hour and a \nhalf. \n[II]: Okay. Would you say on average it's about an hour? \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I mean, that's normally what my treatments are in general, but \nwhen people want, like, I have people coming in in a few weeks \nhere, so, (U/II when they say, \"can we have an hour and a half,\" \nit's (U/I). \ntll): Okay. \n[II]: But that's pretty rare. \n[II]: Okay. And you said that you would drive yourself there? Is that \nright? \n[II]: Yes. \n[II]: And you would drive yourself back? \n[II]: Oh, yeah. \n[II): And it was typically during the evening hours? \n[II]: Evening. Late at night. \n[II): What time are we talkin'? \n[II]: It could be- I mean, `cause I work here usually `till seven, so-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: - I may not get there `till eight or nine. Wasn't like I was \nthere `till midnight, but I would work- it would depend, and \nsometimes, if I was asked to (U/I) I would. \n(III: Okay. What- and I know it's a big house, uh- uh-\nEFTA00090048\n", "char_count": 1318}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 13, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n13 \nIII]: \nAnd I never saw- all I saw was the kitchen and the- the, I saw \nthe kitchen and then the, I guess, for lack of better words, the, \nuh, off the kitchen, like a, not a maid's quarters, but I'd be \nasked to sit there and wait, `cause I wasn't allowed in the rest \nof the house. \nOkay. \nSo, I'm sorry, I'm looking mostly at \nYou're fine. \nYou're okay. \nUm, so, I would be- I'd have to sit and wait until she was ready, \nwhen she was finished dinner or if they had guests or whatever, I \nwould have to wait. I would- sometimes it would be a long wait, \nbut not often, they were pretty respect- she was pretty \nrespectful. But I would wait there and then the housekeepers \nwould just ask me if- \"do you want some water,\" and then they \nwould lead me into the room. I always worked- maybe there was one \ntime I worked on her in her- in her bedroom, not one time that I \nwork on her in her bedroom, but I mostly worked in the library or \nwhatever you want to call it, right off the kitchen. So I never \nsaw the rest of the fifty-thousand square-foot house. \n[II]: Well, you- we- we may have never seen you again. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: You may have got lost. \n[II]: I know. They needed a walkie-talkie. \n[II]: Okay, so-\n[II]: But the housekeepers were lovely and everybody was nice to me. \n[II]: Okay. So we're lookin' at the library off of the kitchen and \nmaybe one time in the bedroom? \n[II]: More- probably more- more than one time, it was dependent upon \nhow she was feeling. So that was it. So, I would be escorted \nEFTA00090049\n", "char_count": 1626}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 14, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n14 \nupstairs to her bedroom, never saw him, and then- but most of the \ntime it was downstairs right off the kitchen going into this \nlibrary-study area, and then I- she got on- on a couch and I \nwould sit on the couch and work on her feet. \n[II): Okay. \nIII): Yeah. So I can't say- it was definitely more than once in her \nbedroom, but-\nokay. \n[Ilj: It was mostly in that library. \n[II): And you're referring to it as her bedroom, was it only her \nbedroom? \n[II): I mean, that's all-\n[III: As far as you know? \n[III: - I know. Yeah. \n[II): Yeah. \n[II): That's all I know. I don't know what else happens. \n[II): Okay. The times that you were there, it sounds like there was one \ntime where you were kind of training a massage therapist. Uh, did \nanybody else ever sit in in the sessions, talk to Ghislaine or to \nJeff while they were being worked on, or anything like that? \n(II): No. \n[II): Okay. So, for the most part-\n[III: (U/I) \n[II): You guys had a fairly exclusive relationship. \n[II): That's right. \n[II): Okay. Um, just between gettin' your hair cut or gettin' \nreflexology done, or something like that, typically, uh, at least \nfor me, like, I end up engaging in quite a bit of conversation. I \nimagine that you engaged in quite a bit of conversation over '99 \nto '08. What were those conversations like? \nEFTA00090050\n", "char_count": 1419}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 15, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n15 \n[IV \nUh, I mean, they- they would talk to me about my work, to talk \nabout, uh, she had a place in New York. Um, there was nothing- I \nknow what you're- I think I know what you're leading up to, I \ndon't- I never witnessed- I can just jump in, I never witnessed \nany of the things that Jeffrey is being accused of. \n[II - 15:15): Sure. \n[II]: That I never saw. There was only one time that I was there when \nhis other- they were being driven from the airport or a \nhelicopter and I was waiting in that room off the kitchen, where \nthen they arrived as I'm waiting for Ghislaine, to work on \nGhislaine, and there were, uh, several young women, that were \ngirls, that would be there, and I was only- I don't know if \ntold me or- or, uh, Ghislaine told me that they were, uh, working \nfor the Limited or Victoria's Secret or they were just younger \ngirls of who they- that they- I never talked to them, like, they \nnever- I was never introduced to them, like, \"this is \nthe \nreflexologist,\" except for that one woman who was his massage \ntherapist. But that's the only time I saw- saw, um, young women. \n[II]: Okay. And you said \n[II]: I never know where- what they did or where they went or anything. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I just was sitting there, they arrived in the space I was in, \nthen they walked- then they were escorted somewhere else that \nI'm- waiting to be called back to work on Ghislaine's feet. \n[II]: Okay. You said \nwho's-? \n[II]: The- \nthe woman who introduced me to-\n[II]: Oh, \n[II]: - (U/I) yeah, yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: So, I really didn't know the- there's not a lot of questions \nEFTA00090051\n", "char_count": 1708}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 16, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n16 \nbecause of her- who she is, I mean, `cause you obviously know who \nshe-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: - is in the background. I just did my work and I left. Some-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: I wasn't- I'm very professional, so, I went in, worked on her \nfeet and she- and she might chat about- she always wanted me to \ntell her stories about my counseling clients. Not, like, any \nbreaking any confidentiality-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: - but she would just be sorta fascinated, like, \"tell me a story \nof what you work on,\" or-\n(II): Okay. \n(ll): - \"what kind of- what kind of work you do with couples,\" or-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - that's s- that's about it. \n[II]: Okay. This time where, uh, these people arrived from this plane \nor helicopter-\n[III]: Right. \n[II]: Um, you said that they were driven in. Do you know who drove \nthem? \n[II]: Oh, I don't know if it was driven. I just know- I remember that \nGhislaine, I think, had a helicopter license, so I don't know if \nthey came in a helicopter, but I don't think that many people can \nfit in a helicopter, but I'm guessing that it's- I'd say- I still \nhave no idea what airport they came from. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Okay. Do you know-\n[II]: Again, I never spoke to them. I just looked up, saw these people \nEFTA00090052\n", "char_count": 1352}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 17, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n17 \nand some other- what- it- it- it was a chauffeur or a driver- the \nhousekeeper, `cause there were- again, I can't remember, it was \nso long ago. But whoever the housekeepers were, who had managed \ntheir world, somebody went and picked them- picked them all up. \nSo, it wasn't like they arrived and I saw Jeffrey come in. It was \nthe- these young women and then other- adult-\n[II): Okay. \n[II]: - who had brought them, who I think was the driver or who worked \nfor- who was one of their staff. \n[III: Okay. When you say, \"young,\" so, we've kinda gone back and forth \nbetween young women and girls. What would you estimate their age \nto be? And again-\n(II): So, this is a guesstimate. \n(II): - it doesn't have to be specific. Sure. \n(II): So, I mean, certainly, uh, I'm looking at- I'm- again, it's hard \nas you get older to judge, but-\n[III: Sure. \n[II]: - I'm saying probably, uh, like, eighteen or under. \n[II]: Eighteen and under. \n[II]: But I never saw- I- `cause I've been watching the news, I never \nsaw someone who looked fourteen or fifteen. But again, I don't-\nback then, I didn't- but they were just young, attractive girls. \n[II]: Sure. How were they dressed? \n[II]: Like, I mean, I didn't really, like- it wasn't, like, in any \nsuggestive way, they were just dressed, like, in a normal-\n[II]: Like, normal way? \n[II]: Like I'm dressed right now. \n[II]: Okay. \nIII]: Yeah. But I really didn't- again, I didn't notice (U/I) not \nlike I saw them for long, they literally came in the space, look \nEFTA00090053\n", "char_count": 1612}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 18, "text_content": "18 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nup, see them, and then they're moved- so, they're walked on \nthrough-\n[II): Okay. \nIII): - and then I'm still waiting there to be called back for \nGhislaine. \nIII): Okay. I know it was a very short time, like, they're basically \njust moving from left to right, essentially. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: Did you ever see anyone, uh, mis- or hear, maybe, anyone mistreat \nthem, or? \n[II]: No. \n[II]: `Cause I know they're kinda being guided through the house. \n[II]: Yeah, no, I never saw or heard any mistreatment. \n[III: And you said the housekeepers kinda managed- managed them? Or \nmanaged the whole house? \n[II]: Managed the whole- I mean, there were- I mean, it was such a \nlarge home, so I-\n[II): Yeah. \n[II): - I guess, like, they were the staff that would manage- I don't \nknow what- all the things they managed, whether it was people-\nguests coming, what they needed. So, like, they would come in and \nsay, \"would you like some water,\" and I would get it on a silver \ntray with a white laced [U/I] and a glass of [U/I1 something like \nthat. So, they're very gracious to me, but, so, I- they just \nmanaged the house, so I guess you'd call them caretakers, maybe? \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Right. I don't know. \n[III: How many? \n[II]: Two. \n[II]: Male or f-\nEFTA00090054\n", "char_count": 1358}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 19, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n19 \n[II]: That I saw, but I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there were staff, \nlike, gardeners or-\n[II]: Sure. \nUh, just the people who were- who I met, um, were just, uh- I \nthink actually they were a couple, but I'm not sure if that's \n[II]: Okay. \n[III: But they were-\n[I : So, a male and a female? \n[II]: Yes, but they were lovely. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: To me they were lovely. Yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II - 20:00]: And now I'm blanking on, like, who would call me up-\nagain, I apologize for the memory, but I think it was- Ghislaine \nwould never call me directly, but it was- one of the housekeepers \nwould say, \"they're coming into town,\" or, \"she's coming into \ntown early, and who- are you- when are you available `cause she \nwants her feet worked on.\" So, sometimes when she would be there, \nlet's say she was there for five days, I might go for three- two \nor three of the nights and go give her a treatment and then go \nhome. \n[II]: Okay. So you think it was the housekeepers? And you mentioned \nI'm sorry. \n[II]: I didn't- I didn't say_. \n[II]: Oh, I thought you said \nor something. No? \n[II]: No. No. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Just the house- I'm just saying they would call- it wasn't \nGhislaine who would ever call me directly, ever. It was someone-\nEFTA00090055\n", "char_count": 1354}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 20, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n20 \nwhoever managed her world, um, they would call and say, \"can you \ncome- this is when they're coming.\" Uh, I keep saying \"they\" and \nI don't mean it, because I really, I- I think it's, like, three \ntimes I saw Jeffrey that-\n[Il]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: And definitely more Ghislaine? \n[II]: Oh, I mean, completely. It was all Ghislaine, most of the time, \nyeah. \n(II): Okay. Um, you're obviously a professional, you've mentioned that \nalready. Uh, how about Ghislaine's con- conduct? \n[II]: Her conduct was complete- completely normal. \n[II]: Okay. \n(II): I mean, really, you have to remember- and I think, and I'm just \nsaying this, it's not off the record `cause you're recording it, \nbut it's- I'm- I'm not the young girls that have been violated. \nSo-\n(II): Sure. \n(II): - I was just- all- the only that \nsaid is that if- actually, \nthey wanted, `cause Ghislaine worked in- had a home, I guess, or \nI don't know who's home, uh, if it was Jeffrey's home or \nGhislaine's home, but, um, she w- wanted to notify \nif I \nknew anyone to refer- ref- a reflexologist to in Manhattan. \nIII]: Okay. \n[II]: They had- but she- they always said, \"but you have to be \nattractive.\" So, that was the one thing that disturbed me. You \nknow, that you can't really be on the property unless you're \nattractive. \n[II]: Whose rule was that? \n[II]: I don't know. \nEFTA00090056\n", "char_count": 1455}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 21, "text_content": "21 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nIt's okay. \n[II]: It's hot here. \n[II]: That's \n[II]: Hey, baby. How are you? \n[II]: [U/II thanks. \n[II]: How are you sweetheart? Yeah. You are beautifully groomed. \n[II]: They help my-\n[II]: I know. \n[III: - counseling clients a lot. \n[UM1): Yeah. \n[II]: You are beautifully groomed. Yes, you are, ma'am. That's \n[II]: St- that's-\n[III: Oh, \nnd \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: They are [U/I) particularly [U/I). \n[II]: That's not a bad thing. \n[II]: Okay, so, get back, sweetie pie. But all- go lie down. \n[II]: And who was the person that relayed that to you? \n[II]: Uh, \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I think it was \nyeah. It wasn't any staff- it wasn't that \ncouple. \n[II]: Okay. How long had \nworked for them-\n[II]: I don't know. \n[II]: - before you? \n[II]: I- I would be a guest, \nso-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: I mean, I don't know if it was six months, I really- it's- I'm-\nI'm literally guessing. But-\nEFTA00090057\n", "char_count": 988}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 22, "text_content": "22 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n(II): Okay. \n(II): - I have no idea. I don't speak with \nI mean, she's off in \nher world and we're not- she- like I said, we're both \nbut she-\nll.]: Yeah. When is the last time you spoke to her? \nIII]: A 1- I mean, I saw her in the store probably three years ago or \nsomething. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I really- again, I don't remember. She did send me an email \nsaying, \"look at- look what's going on with Jeffrey.\" So, I got \nthat probably within the past month, but I haven't spoken to her \near-to-ear. \n(..): Did you guys have any sort of discussion after that email? \n(II): No, I have not yet. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But I was- I'm going to. \n[U]: I imagine you will. \n[..]: Yeah. Have you- you haven't contacted her obviously yet or no, \nyou can't tell me? \nUh, so we went by her, uh- no, it's fine. So, we went by her \nhouse in \nuh, but it looks like somebody is renting it \nnow. It doesn't look like she's there and I guess, and you might \nbe able to clear it up, I guess she lives in \n[II]: She- she worked in \nI don't know where she lives. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I knew she had a house in \noff, I think, (U/I) or \nsomething-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. But she worked in \n[II]: Okay. \nEFTA00090058\n", "char_count": 1290}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 23, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n23 \n[II] : Yeah. So we would refer people to each other, counseling clients, \nbut-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Do you know if she-\nIII]: But I don't even know if she- how long she- if she's doing this \nmassage- I don't think she does that at all anymore. She's very \nsuccessful-\n[] : Good. \n[Ill]: - \n[II]: Good for her. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Do you know if she referred any people to the- to- to Ghislaine \nor Jeff? \n[II]: I don't know. \n[II]: Okay. Was there-\n[II]: `Cause really, the- the- so, I was the reflexologist and then, I \ndon't know how often \nwent there but she just- the reason \nwhy she originally got in touch with me is because Ghislaine \nwanted her feet work- worked on. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: And I'm a good \nso she then said, you know, \"would \nyou like me to refer you to them.\" And I said, \"sure.\" And I \ndidn't know anything more. \nIII): Okay. Was there any sort of incentive or anything like that that \nyou're aware of for referrals? So-\n[II): No. \n[II): No. \n[II): You mean, like, if they were- if she was getting a commission? \nOr-\nEFTA00090059\n", "char_count": 1159}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 24, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n24 \n[Ili: N- so, uh, let's imagine that you- that \napproached you and \nshe said, \"hey, you know, if you know somebody in New York, if \nyou'll refer them, as long as they're attractive, obviously, um, \nand there's incentive in it for you, which is-\" \n[II]: Oh, no. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: You mean, like, if she said to me, \"there's the incentive for \nyou- would be-\" for me? \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: No. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II - 25:001: No, no. She just asked for- if there was a name. And \nGhislaine would say, \"if you ever come to New York, let me know. \nI'd love you to work on my feet.\" \n[III: Okay. \n[II]: She really like- I mean, she really liked my work. She's just-\nwho she- she was very relaxed and very, um- but she was not, um-\nI would never ask a client questions or-\n[II): Sure. \n[II): - anything like that, she just wanted to know about, like, \"tell \nme- tell me a story, tell me what you work on,\" that's all she \nreally did. \n[II]: Okay. Did you ever travel? \n[II]: No. To- to work on her feet? \n[II]: Uh, in general. Either-\n[II]: Oh, I travel-\n[II]: - either to work-\n[] : - all my life. \n[II]: Well, sure. \n[II]: But not to work- yeah. \nEFTA00090060\n", "char_count": 1246}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 25, "text_content": "25 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Either to work with her or with Jeff or with Ghislaine. \n[II]: Oh, no. I know he had, um, people who fl- who he flew to \nwherever- either one of his homes, so I knew that, like a massage \ntherapist or a cook, or- and all I ever heard was little things, \nlike, I don't know if I heard that from \nor Ghislaine, but \nthat every time they would have a guest, that they would, um, you \nhad to do everything specifically, like, if they were at the \ndinner table, you would- they had to be served a certain way from \na certain- like, \"come to the left,\" or, I can't remember who \ntold me that but I was sorta fascinated, it had to be that exact. \nAnd I'll sh- I'll also share that, um, this is probably \nsignificant, that they, um, at- wanted me to- this is sort of \nwhen I stopped working for them, but they wanted me to sign a \ncontract that anything I saw- so, that's good for you, right? \n[II): Yeah. \n[II): Um, anything I saw that I- and that was towards the end `cause I \nwas getting burnt out because I would go late at night after \nworking on stuff, I mean, treating- uh, counseling people here. \n[II): Sure. \n[II]: And then at night it got exhausting for me. And driving-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II): -late at night. So, but they s- wanted me to sign a contract \nsaying, like, a celebrity contract, like, \"if you know anybody-\nif you see anything going on here you have to keep it private.\" \nAnd I refused to sign it. \n[II]: Sure. Who- who approached you with that? \n[II]: That's what I'm trying to remember. It wasn't, uh, Ghislaine, it \nmight've been the housekeeper. One of the housekeepers, I wish I \ncould remember, \nwho it was. \n[II]: Okay. \nEFTA00090061\n", "char_count": 1754}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 26, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n26 \n[II): But it was something that was kind of floating around, like, it's \nabout to happen where you need to, like, there's gonna be a \ncontract and- what sits- remains in my mind, whether it's true or \nnot, is if I did violate that contract, I'd be sued for two \nhundred and fifty thousand dollars. And I was like, uh, \"no way. \nI'm-\" \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: \"- not doing that. I'm coming innocently giving you a treatment, \nI'm not getting involved- I don't even know what goes on, I don't \nhave any idea, but I'm whatever-\" `cause they would say- and then \nI was- it was kind of inferred that there could be celebrities \nthere. And to respect their privacy. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: And obviously everything that's coming up in the news now, the \npeople who could have been there. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: Or, the relationships with- with Jeffrey. \n[II]: Sure. \n[III: That they knew him. I mean, it's making me sick actually. The \nwhole thing-\n(II): It's, uh-\n[II]: - is- I don't want to cry right now, but the stuff that I'm \nhearing-\n[II]: I don't want to make you cry. \n[II]: Oh no, it's okay, but I just- I saw something, I think- on the \nother day of a woman who said he raped her and, um, it make- it \nwas- made me feel sick that that was going on. `Cause that was \nnever anything that I wit- like, I even sensed, being in their \nhome. Just that they were big- all I- all I could say is, all-\nfrom my sort of innocent place is that, I knew I- I'm in the \nEFTA00090062\n", "char_count": 1556}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 27, "text_content": "27 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nhouse of fifty- fifty thousand square foot house, I knew \nGhislaine's background, right? And all I knew is that Jeffrey was \na person who, I mean, who would only take accounts that had to \nbe, like, a billion dollars or more, and that's all and so, I \njust did my work- and did my work and left. So I didn't- but \nthere wasn't things that I saw or I'd tell you in a second `cause \nI want this man to be prosecuted appropriately. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Uh, as far as your treatments for Jeffrey went, what- what would \nyou treat for him? So, for Ghislaine, it was her feet. \n[II]: Well, I only did reflex- that's all I've been trained in. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II): I'm not a massage therapist. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: So, I would just work on his feet. \n[III: Okay. \n[II]: And sometimes he- sometimes Ghislaine would come in, like, 1- I'm \nthinking of the time- so, she- I worked on her mostly, like 98% \nof the time, 99% of the time, and the times that I worked on \nJeffrey, s- like, maybe one or two times it would be a full \ntreatment, and I can look at my invoices for you, but, um, \nsometimes he'd want to just come in and have, like, a thirty \nminute treatment and then- so, she'd have half of it and- or d-\nno, that's when I- she would ask for extra time. So, I'd work on \nher for an hour, he'd come in, maybe took forty-five minutes and \nthen he would leave. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Did anything odd or inappropriate ever happen during your \nEFTA00090063\n", "char_count": 1566}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 28, "text_content": "28 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nsessions with Jeff? \n[II]: The only thing that happened that I did not appreciate is that he \ncame down in his bathrobe and so- and he was not dressed \nunderneath it and so, it- it seemed that- I mean, he didn't \nexpose himself to me in any way or I would have left the house. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: And I would have said something, but it was just, uh- you could \ntell that he was, sort of- he was there, loving the treatment, \nand then the massage therapist that he wanted me to train was \nthere but then the bathrobe would be there and you can tell that, \nlike, even if something started to open up in the bathrobe, I \nnever saw his body literally, but it was- he wasn't being mindful \nabout covering himself. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But again, I never saw his penis or anything. I'm being graphic, \nsorry. \n[II - 30:03]: No, no, no, you're fine. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: We've- we've heard-\n[II]: Yeah, true, you've heard-\n[II]: - significantly worse, obviously. \n[II]: - you've heard a lot worse, right. \n[II]: Um-\n[II]: So, I never- I never- he was never, ever inappropriate with me. \nHe was very respectful to me, was fascinated about my work, he \nwanted to know about my work, my training, and he was like, \"can \nyou train,\" you know, \"can you help,\" and I said, \"I can help in \nan- like, have her watch me, but it took me a long time to learn \nwhat I'm doing but I can help her.\" \n[II]: Yeah. \nEFTA00090064\n", "char_count": 1499}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 29, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n29 \n(II): So, I would- that was it. But he was never inappropriate to me, \nalways respectful. \n(II): Okay. Uh, this robe thing, was that every time or was it just the \none time? \n(III: No. I don't rem- uh, I think it- I think it was just one time. \nBut I- but I think that, you know, because I work from the feet \nup to the knee-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - so I don't remember, as you're asking that question, if he had \njeans on so, he might- might have been in his bathrobe all the \ntime, I don't- but I don't recall. I definitely remember one time \nhe came down in a white bathrobe. \n(III: And the way that you described it, that was the same time that \nthe massage therapist-\n[III: No. \n[II): - was there? \n[II]: No. No, that was another time. \n[II): Or that was a different time. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I really- and again, I'm trying, \nto do my best to \nremember-\n[II]: No, you're fine. \n[II]: - (U/I) back then. \n[II]: You're fine. This was, if we're looking at \n.\n \nthat's what, \nOr cl- or-\nNo, \nyears ago. \nyeah. \nAh. \nEFTA00090065\n", "char_count": 1137}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 30, "text_content": "30 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: It's just hard to remember the details, I'm doing my best. \n[II]: Yeah. No, no, no, you're fine. \n[II]: And when- when if I work on Ghislaine, she would be there whether \nshe was in, you know, shorts or whatever, she would, obviously, \nhave her bare legs or if I worked at- often I would work on her, \nif it was in the library then she would, I don't know what she \ndid after the treatment `cause I'd get up and leave `cause she'd \noften fall asleep, but if she was upstairs and she wanted me to \nwork on her up in her bedroom, I would just tiptoe out, wash my \nhands in the bathroom, and esc- take myself out, no one escorted \nme out. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: Were there any sorts of, uh, parties or large gatherings that you \nremember-\n[II]: Not that I ever saw. \n[II]: - during your time there? \n[II]: I never was there with any kind of- anything that I would've \nheard or saw, other than those young girls, um, coming in that \ntime. \n(III: Do you remember when that was? \n[II]: I don't. I mean, I can't s- all those years, I can't remember \nwhat year it was if that's what you're asking. \n[II]: Sure. Do you know how long you had been there by that time? \n[II]: No. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I wish I could tell you that. \n[II]: Summer or winter? \n[II]: Uh, if I had to guess, I don't remember them being-\n[II]: Nah d-\nEFTA00090066\n", "char_count": 1440}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 31, "text_content": "31 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: - heavily-clothed. \n[II]: -don't guess. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: But- okay. \n[II]: I really don't remember when it was. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: `Cause you have to remember, it was pretty much of a fleeting \nmoment. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: It's literally like you coming in, me sitting here waiting to be \ncalled back, they come to the door and I see them for a moment \nand say hi, and then they walk out the other door. \n[III: How-\n[II]: And that's how fast it was. \n[II]: How many would you estimate? \n[II]: That time when I saw them, I'd say four? \n[II]: Four? \n[II]: Yeah. \nAnd I'm pretty naive a- so, I don't- so, it's not like I thought, \n\"I wonder what they're doing here,\" except that all I knew is \nthat I thought he worked for the Limited or was invested in the \nLimited, but maybe it was Victoria's Se- Secret, but that I \nthought they all seemed like they were in awe and kind of the un-\nyoung models that wanted- that here they are in awe of this \nbillionaire-\n[U ]: Sure. \n[II]: - who's flying them in. And then- so, that's what makes- breaks \nmy heart is that you're- they're so impressionable, right? \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: And seeing this, uh, tycoon or whatever, wealthy person and being \nEFTA00090067\n", "char_count": 1304}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 32, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n32 \nflown wherever and so, their- the innocence of them just breaks \nmy heart, that that's-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[III: And so, maybe they were saying, like, get- like that woman on the \nTV who said he would get- she would get paid three hundred \ndollars and prom- be promised to become a model. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: So, I bet they were, at that age, and they don't say- they get-\nthey get in awe of it. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: The wealth. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[III: Yeah. \n[III: Did you ever see the plane or the helicopter? Okay. And you-\n[II]: I never saw a landing strip. I just saw a massive home. \n[II]: Okay. And you said you think- you think Ghislaine had her own, \nuh, pilot's license? \n[III: Helicopter license- I think so. \n[II]: Helicopter license. See, look, now I'm out of paper. (U/I] \n[II]: And it always seemed that she was the, um, like she managed his \nworld in the sense of their home, so she would go to Zorro Ranch \nbut I don't- but he- but then she would manage the staff, and \nthat's what I would hear, like, that they would train- that she \nhad a s- again, I don't remember if it was from Ghislaine, it \ncould've been, but that they- she'd be there to be- do trainings, \nand to also be at Zorro ranch but she would be there to, like, \ntrain if there were new staff and whoever- whoever they were \nentertaining, let's say it was a celebrity or, uh, I don't know, \nI'm just naming names, like, Trump or Clinton or-\n[II): Sure. \nEFTA00090068\n", "char_count": 1534}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 33, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n33 \n[Il]: \nAnd I didn't see or know any of them, that I'm just hearing now, \nthat's where she'd come in and she'd say n- she had to train the \nstaff to make sure that they- these guests were being served \nappropriately and not, you know, that it was very private and \npersonal. I mean-\n[II- 35:03]: Sure. \n[II]: - if you have a celebrity come in, you don't want someone \ngossiping and-\n[II]: Right. \n[II]: So, they had to do it just that way, so, that's what I- and all I \nknow is that he- that they had the New York home, the, um, Zorro \nRanch, and I think an island that he own- uh, he either owned an \nisland or he had a big home in the Caribbean. And I don't- and I \ndon't know if- I think there might- is there one in New York? I-\n[II]: I don't know. \n[II]: I don't know. \n[II]: Who knows? \n[II]: Exactly, yeah. \n[II]: Um, did you see Ghislaine training these people-\n[] : No. \n[II]: - or do you just know about it? \n[II]: I just know about it. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I- I- literally, I literally just went in, was- waited to be \ncalled back until we'd [U/I] each other at the library or \nbedroom, worked on her feet, and left. \n[II]: Okay. \n[Il]: And then if Jeffrey wanted the treatment a few times, that's when \nit- it was always f- down in the d- in the, uh, den. \n[II]: Okay. \nEFTA00090069\n", "char_count": 1388}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 34, "text_content": "34 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Library. \n[II]: Okay. How did you get paid? \n[II]: I invoiced them. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: And then-\n[II]: And then Zorro Ranch would pay me. \n[II]: By check? \n[II]: Yes. Or cash. \n[II]: Do you still have copies of those checks? \n[II]: It should be in my Quicken-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - oh, the checks? No, I mean, I'd have to go-\n[II): Okay. \n[III: -through my- yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But I can find out the invoices or, does that matter? Like-\n[] : Nell, would the invoices- would the invoices or would your \nQuicken have things like the check numbers or the account numbers \nor anything like that? \n(II): No. \n[II]: Okay. \n(III: It would just say, you know, \"foot reflexology session, in \nparentheses Ghislaine, 1 and a- 1.5 hours.\" And then-\n(II): Okay. But the- it sounds like the- the account was the Zorro \nranch account? \n[II]: Yes. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: It wasn't- there wasn't any personal name on it. \n[II]: Okay. Did you ever see or interact with any of the other guests? \nEFTA00090070\n", "char_count": 1109}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 35, "text_content": "35 \n2 \n3 \n4 \nS \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nII]: No. I never saw another guest except those girls, again, I-\nII]: Okay. I want to talk for a little bit about this massage \ntherapist. What can you tell me about her? \n[II]: About \n[II]: No, no, no, no. The- the girl that he had you train. \n[II]: Oh, I mean, I literally don't remember what she looked like. It \nwas just a young girl who came in, she pulled up a chair and I'm \nworking on his feet and- and so, I was just talking to her about-\nabout, uh, how to do reflexology, but she was young and I think \nshe traveled with them. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But I don't know how many different massage therapists they had \nin different- wherever their different homes were, but I got the \nimpression that she flew with them, that they brought her with-\nher with him. \n[II]: What gave you that impression? \n[II]: Just from hearing, like, the two- that- \"she comes with me.\" \n[II]: Okay. Okay. You said, \"young girl,\" how- how old would you \nestimate she was? \nII]: I wanna say, again, like, `cause I'm much older, `cause I wanna \nsay maybe eighteen. If they were older than that, maybe. But she \nwas not, like, fifteen years old, I (U/I) girl was, but I- she \nwas not, like, a young, young girl. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But she was y- I mean, what am I saying, she was young. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: Any idea how long she had been working for them? \n[II]: No. So I- I just have to say, I know nothing about the rest of \ntheir staff except those two c- that couple that ran them- the \nEFTA00090071\n", "char_count": 1593}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 36, "text_content": "36 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nranch. \n(II): Okay. \n(II): Yeah. I don't know anything about, uh, those girls that came in, \nwhat they were doing there, why they were there, how long they \nworked- how long they were around, I have no idea. \n(II): Okay. As far as the ranch itself went, how would you get in, were \nthere any sorts of gates, was there security? \n[II]: I got there (U/I1 there was a gate. \n[II]: Okay, can you describe that? \n[II]: So, I would come down whatever, heading towards Stanley, turn \ninto the dr- entrance and then there was a gate code, I can't \nrem- don't ask me the gate code. \n[II]: No, I won't. \n[II]: And then I would push something and then they would- the gate \nwould be open- open- it would automatically open and I would \ndrive, like, quite a distance-\n(II]: Sure. \n[II]: - in, to get to the main house. \n[III]: Okay. And what would happen when you would get there? \n[II]: And I actually, now I'm thinking of it, back in the beginning I \nworked, it's just coming to me now, is that originally, I think \nwhile that house- home was being built, the big one-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - that they had another home that was almost like a, uh, uh, \nlike, a log cabin or, like, uh, an RV, you know what I'm- like a, \nwhat do you call it, a- not an RV, uh, help me, like a mobile \nhome. \n[III: Okay. Mobile home? \n[II]: Like a double mot- but it was a b- you know, obviously they- it \nwas made to be very nice, so, that was while the house was being \nEFTA00090072\n", "char_count": 1548}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 37, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n37 \nbuilt and then I worked over at the main house when they- when \nthat was finished. \n[II]: Okay, so you actually started off in the mobile home? \n[II]: I think so. Yeah, that was my memory of it, yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But it wasn't a mobile home that was- it was, like, a nice- they-\nwhatever they did. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: I think it was a mobile home- that's my impression because- but \nit looked like a log cabin design on the outside. \n[It: Okay. \n[Il]: And then so, anyway, going back to the main house, what made me \nthink of- what- just remember that is because that was over this \nway as I'm driving and then I would go around to the main house \neventually and then just- when I'd have to park in the back, not-\nnever in the front. So, in fact, I would be parked in the back \nbut what- I would enter through the kitchen. Not the kitchen, \nexcuse me, the quarters that are next to the kitchen if that \nmakes sense. Like a mud-\n[II - 40:15]: Okay-\n[II]: - like a mudroom. Like a-\n[II]: - so, there's a- so, it had its own- so, it had its own entryway? \n[II]: Yeah, like, about, like-\nFrom the outside? \n[II]: (U/I) yeah. \n[II]: Okay. Okay. When you would park back there, were there other cars \nthat were back there as well? \n[II]: Uh, maybe one, or t- I mean, I didn't really note that. (U/I] \n[II]: Never, like, a bunch of `em or-\n[II]: -Yeah, no (U/I) \nEFTA00090073\n", "char_count": 1473}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 38, "text_content": "38 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: - anything like that. \n[II]: It was probably the housekeepers' cars or the staff but-\n[II]: Do you remember what kind of car it was? \n[II]: Nope. That would be good if I could. \n[II]: Going back to the- to this girl you trained, um-\nIII]: Well, you have to remember, \nyou know, we're talkin' \ntraining for maybe-\n[II]: For forty-five minutes max-\n[II]: L- less \n[II]: - probably. \n[II]: I mean-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - really, so- someone's sitting there saying, \"oh, let me see \nwhat you do,\" like, \"come in, show me- \nplease show so-\nand-so,\" don't remember her name, \"how you do this.\" \n[II]: That actually brings up a good point. How- um, so, `cause it is a \nbillion square foot house, um, did they- do you know if Jeff, uh, \nlike, made a phone call to her or asked her to come down or, do \nyou know how she ended up-\n(III: She was already in the home-\n[II]: Okay. \n- that's all I know. \n[II]: She was already there. \n[II]: Yup. \n[II]: Okay. \n[It: So, if- if it was her- if it was his hired- hired masseuse, she \njust came down. \n[II]: Okay. \nIll]: Right. And I don't know if it was one, like, I don't know if it \nwas, like, if she was trained as a massage therapist. I mean, she \nEFTA00090074\n", "char_count": 1296}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 39, "text_content": "39 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nmust, I mean, I don't if any of the- these girls who gave him \nmassages who are- have been so violated, if they were trained, \n`cause I don't think that's the case. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Is there anything about her that you do remember? \n[II]: About this y- girl? \n[II]: About the girl, yeah. \n[II]: I mean, I don't- other than she was a young, attractive girl that \nsat next to me and I, `cause I'm focused on working on the feet-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: I'm telling her, you know, \"this is where your adrenals are and \nthe pancreas and this is how you do this and,\" so, she was just \nwatching, fascinated, and she was very sweet. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: But I don't remember anything else. \n[II]: Okay. Did she and Jeff interact at all? \n[II]: Not other than just her sitting next to me and him-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - saying, like, you know, \"memorize what she's doing,\" or I \ndidn't- she- that's not his exact words, \nbut that's what-\n[II]: No, I get it. \n[II]: - he wanted her to learn how to work on the feet better. Yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: That was my impression. (U/II he had never had, `cause I don't \ndo- I was never trained as a massage therapist, I was only \ntrained as a reflexologist, so, he- that's all I did- did then \nand so that's, um, that's what he wanted me to teach her. \n[II]: Okay. Did either of them ever approach you or did anybody, I \nguess, approach you about doing counseling out there? \nEFTA00090075\n", "char_count": 1527}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 40, "text_content": "10 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Never. \n[II]: Did they know that you did that? \n[II]: Yes, that's why she asked about was- she wanted to hear stories. \nYeah. \n[II]: Oh, yeah, I guess so. \n[II]: Yeah. And again, I want to say on the record that I would never \nviolate confidentiality for my clients. She just wanted to know, \nlike, \"what kind of work- what kind of things couple- what coup-\nissues do couples have? Or what- individuals, what kind of work \ndo you do? And tell me something, a story,\" or she always wanted \nto hear, like, a- an interesting story and sometimes I'd say, \"I \ndon't have one,\" or that I would never say names or infer, \nanyway. \n[II]: Sure. Was there anything particular that she was interested in? \nSo, uh, some people, so, like, in our line of work, typically \nwhat they- what people ask you is, \"what's the worst thing you've \never seen,\" right? \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II): Or, things like that. Was- was there any sort of, like, specific \nthing that she wanted- that- that type of story that she was \nlooking for? \n[II]: It was more like, uh, just more of a fascination about \ncounseling, more like, \"how can you do that,\" as, like, how, \nlike, \"how can you work with couples,\" or, \"that must be hard,\" \nor, \"tell me, like, what's the most difficult situation that- you \nmight've had,\" or, you know, they- she just wanted to know \nsomething interesting, like, \"what's- what's the typical conflict \nthat couples have\" or-\nIII]: Okay. \n[II]: - \"an individual have,\" but she wouldn't be specific, like, \"have \nEFTA00090076\n", "char_count": 1612}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 41, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n41 \nyou ever worked on somebody who's- had been violated or raped,\" \nor something like- nothing, she was never specific other than, \n\"tell me a story.\" \n[II): Okay. \n(III: That was more, like, a, like, a curious sort of fascinated. Like, \nhow is it- let's say I hadn't seen her for a month, you know, \nlike, \"did you have any- any- \nyou know, \"any- any interesting \nstories to tell about- of a certain circumstance,\" but again,\nwould never violate anybody's privacy ever. \n[II]: Yeah. No I-\n[II]: It was more like an overarching, she wanted to know, like, from \nwhat, \"what's that like,\" or, \"oh my gosh, how can you do that, \nisn't that hard,\" or- I-\n[II]: Sure. And it sounded like Jeff was more interested in how you \nwere doing what you were doing physically. Did you ever have \nthose types of interactions with him? \n[II]: About counseling? \n[II]: About counseling? \n[II]: Never. \n[Il]: Okay. \n[Il]: He literally, like, would sorta stroll in, lie down on the- lie \ndown on the couch in the- in the library, and I would work on his \nfeet. But because of my impression of their- their status, or \ntheir- I was very private myself but I also respected their-\n[II - 45:02]: respected their privacy. \n[II]: - I didn't really know who this person was or what he did other \nthan hearing snippets from \nor- again, just, it's not that \nshe was telling me secrets or anything, it was more, I'm- I'm not \na person who goes and starts googling until recently. \n[II]: Yeah. \nEFTA00090077\n", "char_count": 1571}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 42, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n42 \n[Il]: I will tell you something, I- it- the- so- a client, a counseling \nclient here, googled me and said, \"you should google yourself,\" \nactually I saw him this morning, but he- he was saying, um, so I \nwent and googled myself like he said, \"just look,\" and some- two \npeople were saying, \"oh, \nmust have become- become \nafter working,\" for whatever, I don't know if it said \nZorro Ranch or he said- he- \"she's in- she's in Jeffrey's little \nblack book,\" that's what it was and I was mortified. Because it's \nlike one, how did they even tie it together, how'd they know all \nthat, but with the internet. So, I was mortified that my name, if \nsomeone, because I'm very proud of my work-\n[II]: Sure \n[II]: - would google me and then wonder, like, now- I didn't want it \nto, like, taint anything. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: But they said something like, \"she's in \n- he-\nin little black book,\" but I'm- they didn't seem like \nprofessionals, it was like, so, who are these people? And I \ndidn't- I never really pursued it or anything and I- you can't \nerase anything that's on Google. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Right? \n[II]: Yeah, it's just gonna be there. \n[II]: But it was like, \"she must've become a therapist- she must have \nbecome a therapist,\" or something like that, \"because of- because \nof whatever she had to deal with, \n\" or, it was just some absurd-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: (U/I] \n[II]: Nothing like that happened, though? \nEFTA00090078\n", "char_count": 1523}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 43, "text_content": "43 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nII]: What? \nII]: Uh, them sending you to some sort o \nor you having \nto do that for yourself-\n,II]: Oh-\n[II]: - because of the things you saw? \n[II]: Oh, no, no, no, no. \n[II]: Okay. \nIll]: I didn't see anything. \n[II]: Right. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: I'm just-\n[II]: Yeah, no. \n[II]: - just making sure. \nI went to \ngraduated in■ \nand graduated in \n■ \nand I love my work, you know, there's not- no- there wasn't \nany counseling going on there, they never asked me to counsel \nanybody. \n(UI: Okay. Outside of the pay that you received for the reflexology, \nwere you ever given any other money? \n[II]: No. No. \n[II]: Were you ever involved in-\n: What-\n[]\n: - I'm sorry, go ahead. \n[II]: What would they pay me, other than reflexology? I guess, you just \nhave to ask? \n[II]: Just have to ask. Uh, were you ever involved in any lawsuits \nthat, uh, were also associated with them? \n[II]: Never. \n[II]: Has anybody interviewed you about any of this before? \n[II]: No. That's why when you came to the door and I was happy to help \nEFTA00090079\n", "char_count": 1125}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 44, "text_content": "44 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nyou, but I don't- `cause I've had people come for counseling \nreasons, for other, you know, if somebody had to be, uh, had \n[U/I1 had records, whatever-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: - so, I didn't know who you were, so, I didn't mean to be rude-\n[II]: No, no, no. \n[II]: - who are you, how do I know who are? \n[II]: I- we- we've dealt with rude before-\n[] : Okay. \n[Ill]: - you weren't rude. I wouldn't worry about that. Um, let's see. \nDo you know who any of the other staff were? \n(II): Just the housekeepers, I don't remember their name. I didn't see \ntheir cook. So, again, all I- all I was- was delivered was some \nwater and then I never saw anybody, never saw a guest. \n[II]: Okay. \n[Il]: Never saw any, I mean, then I- you know, you wonder who was \nthere. And I don't remember who told me who- who could've been \nthere but I thought it was- they were saying that it could be \nsomebody like Bill- Bill Clinton or, uh, I'm trying to remember \nwho else is, I don't remember who told me but, um, but actors. \n[II): Okay. \n[■]: I didn't know about Trump until recently, in the news. Yeah. \n(II): Is there anything that stands out in your mind that we haven't \ntalked about yet that might be important to what we're doing? \n[II]: I'm trying to give you everything I can-\n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: - to help you get him where he needs to be. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: It makes me sick. \n[II]: Yeah. \nEFTA00090080\n", "char_count": 1485}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 45, "text_content": "45 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Sorry, I-\n[II]: No, no, no, you're- you're fine. \n[II]: Yeah. I'll do anything to help you. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Um, do you think- \nwould s- or, sorry, \ndo you think \nwould speak with us? \n[II]: I'm sure, I imagine- I can't speak for her, but I don't know why \nshe wouldn't. \n[II]: During your-\n[II]: Did you try to cont- did you- you just went to her home? \n[II]: Yeah, we just went to the Sante Fe house just `cause we're up \nhere. \n(III: Okay. \n[II]: We're both based out of \n[II]: Okay. \n[III: So, we have an office (U/I) \nDid she ever talk to you about maybe feeling uncomfortable at \nbeing out at the ranch or anything like that? \nII]: No. And I don't remember how long she was their massage \ntherapist. I don't know who she worked on, I don't know any of \nthat but I think it was pretty m- we're both really professional \npeople, so, I don't really know when she stopped or anything like \nthat. \n(III: Okay. I know you, obviously, have her email, do you have a \ncontact number for \n[II]: I do. \n[II]: May I? \n[II]: Am I- am I being inappropriate giving that number? \n[II - 50:011: That is entirely up to you, ma'am. \nEFTA00090081\n", "char_count": 1250}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 46, "text_content": "46 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[III: I think-\n[]: If you're-\n[II]: - I'd rather do-\n[II]: - if you're uncomfortable with it-\n[II]: What I think that I- I mean, just because I'd rather ask her and \nthen give her-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - your information. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Can I do that? Yeah. \n[II]: No, no, that's perfectly acceptable. \n[II]: Let me do that. I'd feel more appropriate. \n[II]: No, no, no, absolutely. Um, can you think of anybody else, `cause \nI know the- your field of expertise is probably relatively small, \nthe same way that law enforcement is, it's big but it's also \nsmall, um, can you think of anybody else, uh, that it might be \nbeneficial for us to talk to? \n(II): I don't- I don't kn- I didn't know anybody else involved with \nthem so, I don't know. \n(II): Okay. \n(II): I mean, did you talk to the housekeepers? I'm sure that- if \nthey're- whoever's still there- my impression too is that when \neverything started going down with the first arrest-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - they, basically, everybody stopped work- going there. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: And working there. So, that's- that's- and I don't know what year \nthat was. Do y- maybe you do. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Sure. Yup. \nEFTA00090082\n", "char_count": 1275}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 47, "text_content": "17 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Yeah. \n(III: So, it was kinda shut down so I nev- I never went back. I wasn't \ngonna go back anyway, but... I never heard from anybody. Not a \nword. \n[III: And you stopped going once they asked you to sign the- that \ndisclosure-\n[II]: Yeah, I wasn't gonna-\n[] : - that non-disclosure form? \n[II]: - but I probably went a few more times, again, I don't remember, \nbut I- I thought, \"if they're gonna keep asking me this-\" so they \nbrought it up that there was gonna be this document-\n[II]: Right. \n[II]: - and then I thought, \"I'm not doing it,\" and then it- and then \nso I kept going, however many times, but I thought, \"if they \nactually say, `here it is,' I'm gonna leave.\" So, I was pretty \nclose. It wasn't like they said, \"you're gonna have to sign \nsomething,\" and I left and never went back. \n(II): Okay. \nIII): I went back. I know of X amount of times and I knew that if they \nwere gonna ask me to sign it, there's no way I'm signing \nanything. \nIII]: Okay. \n[II]: That felt really in- not good. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: What-\n[II]: Oh, well, I do know that, I guess, celebrities can do that-\n[] : Yeah. \n[II]: - and ask people, `cause of the confidentiality, but I still \ndidn't even want to be a part of it. \nEFTA00090083\n", "char_count": 1341}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 48, "text_content": "48 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: What did eventually make you stop going out there? \n(II]: Pretty much the fact that- when I found that- out what was going \non, like, the first arrest, whatever. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. And it was also exhausting. \n[II]: Ha. \n[II]: Yeah. It really was. I mean, I- if it was something I had to do \nev- you know, several nights a week, every week, I wouldn't-\ncouldn't have done it. But because she came in, you know, \nwhenever she did, it could be- she could come in in Jan- I'm \nmaking this up, I'd have to look, she could come January and not \ncome again until April or-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - or then she could- again, I- I don't remember that far back, \nbut-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Okay. Did you have anything else for her? \n[UM1]: Uh, yes and please stop me if I-\n(U): No, no, no, please. \n[UM1]: So, you said that the housekeepers made a very good impression \nupon you with their kindness-\n[I: Yup. \n[UM1]: - and generosity-\n(II): Yeah. \n[UM1]: - if you were to see a picture of them, do you think you would \nbe able recognize them? \n[II]: Uh, you could try me, but I don't- right now, I can't remember \nEFTA00090084\n", "char_count": 1258}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 49, "text_content": "19 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \ntheir faces for the life of me, no. \n[II): Is that it? \n(UM1): Yeah, I have a [U/I]-\n(II): You have a picture? \n[UM1): - (U/I) a hotspot-\n(II): Oh, do you? \n[UM1): If you wanna (U/I) \n[III: Yeah, absolutely. But what time- what time is it? Let's start \nthere. We've got about seven minutes. \n[UM1): It might- yeah, and I can text my next s- uh, client is a phone \nsession, so I can tell them I'm running five minutes behind if \nyou need, no rush, but. \n[UM1): May I get your keys so I can grab them [U/I] \n[III: Yeah, no, absolutely. \n[III: Are you [U/I) picture? \n[UM1): I'm great, let's see if I [U/I] \n[II): Oh my [U/I) \nuh, \nlet me put that behind you because \nit's locked. I think it's locked. \n(UM1): Okay. \n[II]: Just c- crack it. \nIs it \npronunciation? \nyeah. No, that's \nyou're fine. \n[III: Okay. \n[II): Yeah, this, uh, it's pretty ugly. \n[II]: [U/I) \n[II]: Yeah and I'm sorry you're wrapped up in it, that's uh-\n[II]: Do I need to- is there any reason that I would have to do- do \nanything past this where I should get an- an attorney or, : \ndon't-\nIII): I, so-\nEFTA00090085\n", "char_count": 1180}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 50, "text_content": "50 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nII): - I haven't done anything. \nII): - I- I can't give you legal advice. Like, I'm just not allowed to \ngive you-\nII): Okay. \n[II]: - legal advice. If you feel like you should at least contact \nsomebody, you should absolutely just contact somebody. Even if \nyou just want to run it by `em. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: If you feel that you don't need to, don't. But I c- I can't-\n[] : I understand. \n[II]: -I'm just not allowed to either way. \n[II]: I just didn't think that because of what I'm telling you, I, \nlike, wasn't involved in anything-\n[II): Yeah. \nIII): -other than going in, doing my work, and leaving, that- that \nthere- that I'm-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - kind of a benign, um-\n[II] : Yeah. \n[II]: - whatever, involved person. \n[II]: Yeah. Obviously, you know, you watch the news-\n[1.]: \nstop, it's \n[II]: It's just \n[1.]: \nget your baby. \n[II]: We're all friends here now. \n[II]: Come on, get your baby, say hi to \nGet your baby, come on, \njust... \nLUM1): God, that guy on the ropes, I'm gonna take him out. \n[II]: I'm going to, um, text my client and see if she-\n[II]: Yeah, no, absolutely, and we appreciate it. \nEFTA00090086\n", "char_count": 1223}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 51, "text_content": "51 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n(UM1): And we'll do this as quickly as I can. \n[II]: Sure. \n[II]: Yeah. What's the matter, Stella? Come here, baby. Want some \nwaters? Huh? I know. Have all these strangers walking into your \nhouse. I know. \nIII - 55:04): I'm gonna say, \"ten minutes later,\" let's see, do you \nthink that you- how much time do you think you need? \n[II]: Uh, however long it takes to boot up. \n[II]: Okay. Uh, let's see. \n[UM1): Ten minutes is pretty safe. \n[UM1): Please. \n[II]: [WI]. Okay. Okay. \n[II]: Thank you for doing that, we really appreciate it. \n[II]: (U/I1 \n[II]: Are you familiar, with, uh, \n[II]: No. \n[II]: - at all? \n[II]: Never heard of her. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I know you can't say anything, I'm just saying it out loud, and \nthat's why I was going to call \nbut I was thinking because \nof Ghislaine and the whole involvement, if she's gonna go to jail \nbut that's- that's not-\n[II]: Yeah, we can't. Yeah. \n[II]: No, I know you can't say a word. I'm not asking you to, but I \njust-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: I- I just want- obviously, it's a very disturbing-\n[II]: Yeah, I mean, you-\n[II]: - collaboration. \nEFTA00090087\n", "char_count": 1208}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 52, "text_content": "52 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[U] : -you know, you watch the news the same as I do-\n[E] : Yup. \n- so, I mean, it's- \nit's- \nit's \na pretty broad scope of issues. \n[M] : Oh, oh yeah. \nUh, and all of it's, \nyou know, ugly at best -\n[U] : Oh, yeah. \n[U] : - unfortunately. \n: But it seems like, I know you can't say anything, but it seems \nlike he's not gonna get away with, uh- obviously, he's going-\n[: \nWell, the-\n[U] : - he's gonna to jail. \n[U] : I know- I know the, uh, the feds are holding him. They didn't -\nthey denied him bail, uh, so they're holding him there in New \nYork, you know? However, we're just doing our part at this-\ntEj : Yeah. \n[U] : - you know? Just trying to be part of the solution, I guess. You \nknow? \n[M] : Do you have the staffs' \nnames? I mean, do you- the housekeeper's \nname? \n(MI: So, we can't -\n[U]: You can't say that. \n[1.] : Yeah. \n[E ] : Okay. \n: If you recognized them, then-\n[U] : Okay. \n[U]: - great, if you don't, that's \nokay too. But yeah, we \n[U]: Okay. \n[E ]: - we can't give you anything any further than that-\n: I- I understand. \n[U]: - that might push you in one direction or another-\nEFTA00090088\n", "char_count": 1211}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 53, "text_content": "53 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n(II): That's fine. \n(II): - obviously. \n(UM1): Before I have to view the picture that I have to make sure \nthere's no identifiers associated with it. \n(II): So, my client said, \"not at all, not a problem. I just picked up \nmy son.\" Okay. \n(II): Okay. And thank you, again, so much for doing that, you don't \nhave to. \n[III: So, I'll have `til five of. \n[III: Okay. That should put us right on time. Give you a little bit of \na break before you have to start with your client. \nWoah. \n(III: What did you say \nI mean, about the-\n(UM1): I- I have to view the picture to make sure that there is no i-\nf.): Oh, I get it. Can you cover it with your finger? \n(UM1): There's- there's a little issue here. I just wanna-\n(II): And there's something I'm remember- I, again, don't quote me \nbecause I don't remember that well, `cause I kind of went in my-\nin my way and just did my work and left, but I- there might have \nbeen two sets of housekeepers, for some reason that's coming up \nfor me now, I don't know-\nIII]: Okay. \n[III: - if one of them had to leave and go back somewhere, wherever \nthey lived. Like, if they were in another state or another- from \nanother- I don't think they were from another country, but, then-\nbut they were- so, but I definitely- they were lovely people. \n[II]: Okay. Okay. \n[II]: They're obviously holding a lot of, you know, in- information in \ntheir... (U/I). \n(III: I would imagine. \nEFTA00090089\n", "char_count": 1518}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 54, "text_content": "54 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: [U/I] good for them. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: [U/I] for everybody involved. \n[U]: Yeah. No, that's just not a good- that's just not a good \nsituation, period. And it's unfortunate. \n(UM1): So, I'm just gonna [U/I] \n[II): Yeah, take your time. \n[UM1]: (U/I] right there. \n(II): So, am I (U/I] have. Yeah, I think that- I think that was her. \nOne of the housekeepers- I- at this point, I won't swear my life, \nto-\n[UM1]: Based on- based on your description of how you interacted and \nhow she presented herself to you, that is my guess. And tell me \nif the... \n[II): I think that, yeah. Was that what you're saying, based on my \ninteraction with her, do I think that that was one of the \nhousekeepers? \n[UM1]: I'm just asking you if that's who you interacted with. \n[II): I think so, yes. That's- she looked- but she had a husband, too, \nI think. \n[UM1): Do you- did you see both of them? \n[II]: Uh-huh. \n[II]: Okay, let's try again. \nIII - 1:00:01): If you have a set of another- another set of \nHousekeepers I- or, just those, okay. \nSee, though, I'm just trying to remember too, who was that other-\nthere was another woman that I don't remember. She was never in \nthe main house, but they had horses. \nIII]: Okay. \n[II]: At the ranch, right? \nEFTA00090090\n", "char_count": 1352}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 55, "text_content": "55 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n:UM1): I had that picture readily available. \nII]: So, they had, like, there were all sorts of different, um, uh, \nhomes, like, little cabins or guesthouses or-\nII]: Okay. \n[II]: - whatever you call- call them, where different staff would live, \nbut I remember interacting with one nice woman, but it- there was \nnothing substantial to tell you about that. \n[II]: Okay. So, the staff lived on the property? \n[II]: Yes. That's what [U/I] \n[UM1): Here is the other female. \n(II): No, I don't know that one. \n[UM1): Nope? \n[II): Okay. \n[UM1): The other one-\n(II): Maybe that was after I 1- I don't know. \n[UM1): Let me, um. Feel free to continue talking (U/I) \n(II]: Okay. \n[II]: So, you said, uh, there was at least one person who took care of \nhorses. Do you know about the other staff or? \n(II): I mean, I don't know- you mean, about what they did? \n[II]: Well, like, how many, things like that. \n[II]: I would j- I'd be guessing too. So, there's the housekeepers, \nthen there was, like, a groundskeeper, there was, like, people \nwho was in charge of the horses, and that's- and then I think \nthat there maybe was another person who was an assistant, but : \ndon't remember, or- but maybe she was the one who was in that \nhouse- one of the houses when I first drove in? \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Okay. \nEFTA00090091\n", "char_count": 1414}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 56, "text_content": "56 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n(UM1): Sorry, sir. \n[II]: No, no, no, you're fine. Outside of this how are you doing? \n[II]: Good. \n[II]: Good. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II): Good to hear. \n[II]: Well, yeah. \n[II]: Good. \n[II]: Except for the heat. \n[II]: Yeah, my, uh, my air conditioner-\n[II]: What's it like i. \ncan't imagine. \n[II]: - my air \nwas, uh, it was not pleasant last night in my house. \n[III: Well-\n[II): But-\n[II]: It must be awful, I mean, `cause it's like ten degrees hotter \neasily in \n[II]: Yeah. Yeah, it was. So, when I woke up, so, when I woke up it was \nabout seventy outside, but it was eighty-five-\n(II): Ugh. \n[II]: - inside the house. It was awful. \n[II]: I've never-\n[II]: Just awful, awful. \n[II]: - I've lived here since \nI've never wanted an air \nconditioning ever except in here but, um, now I- now I I think I \nwish I had one, but I don't really like AC that much. \n[II]: Really? \n[II]: No. But it would be nice to have it. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. It seems like it's getting hot-\nconditioner went out yes- some time yesterday. So, it \nEFTA00090092\n", "char_count": 1135}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 57, "text_content": "57 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Yeah, when you want it, you definitely want it. \n[II]: Yeah, that's right. \n[II]: Yeah. Yeah, it's been awful and today it's hot again. \n[II]: It's supposed to be hot this weekend, I think, right? \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Yeah. Something tells me my AC's probably not going to get fixed \nby then, so I contacted, uh, people yesterday, um, and they were \nlike, \"well, we'll check the schedule and see when we can come \nout.\" I was just like- I just hung my head, there's nothing else \nI can do. So, I can beat on it with a hammer but that ain't gonna \ndo no good, so-\n[II]: No. \n(II): I'm pretty much stuck. \n(UM1): It's not (U/I] \n[II]: No? Okay. Okay, well, if it's not, it's not, so. \n[II]: I mean, I'll see you, I'll come to- anytime you want to ask me \nmore, or, I mean, I don't think there's anything more I have, but \nif you want to show me pictures-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - another time. \n[II]: Yeah, as long as that's okay with-\n[] : Yeah. \n[II]: - you, then. Yeah. \n[II]: That's fine, yeah. The only thing wouldn't be fine is if I- like \ntoday when you just came, I'd rather have (U/I)-\n[II]: Yeah, no, we'll definitely call ahead of time-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - uh, text you or whatever-\n[II]: Okay. \nEFTA00090093\n", "char_count": 1328}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 58, "text_content": "58 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: - the case may be and yeah, we'll make- we'll make better \narrangements next time-\n[II]: Okay. \n- for certain. Are you all good? \n(UM1): I'm just trying one more thing since we're here, sir. \n[II]: Absolutely. Yeah, it's-\n[II]: Do you feel like you've covered up everything that you can think \nof? \n[II]: I think so, yeah. Is- oh- feel free, if you don't think I have. \n[II]: I know, I'm try- no, I'm trying to tell you as things pop in, \n`cause they- you know how you- when you start talking about \nsomething and then you remember, like, \"oh,\" um_ Yeah, no, never \nsaw any guests ever, except for the girls that came in that time. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Um. And ag- and, you understand, because of their privacy-\n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: - that I was just always- I wasn't up- supposed to go in any \nother part of the house. Although I never- but I would walk \nupstairs as- like, whoever that other woman was, or, I wish I \ncould remember the- see a picture of the man, but, they were \nlovely and they would just say, um, \"okay, you can go upstairs \nnow to Ghislaine's bedroom if she's up there,\" or they'll, \"wait \ndown here in the kitchen,\" off, you know, the mudroom, whatever \nand- and then, \"you're gonna be going into the library today.\" \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: And that's just it. So, then I would just sit there, set up. \n[II]: Just hang out and wait. \n[II]: Then she'd come in and she'd plop down, and then sometimes she'd \ncall and ask for something to eat, but... I don't remember him. But \nwho knows? If that was his- but I'm pretty sure the first woman \nEFTA00090094\n", "char_count": 1669}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 59, "text_content": "59 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nhad a husband. Or I believe that they were together. \n(II): Okay. Alright. \n(UM1): We have, like, one picture that's resisting my-\n[II - 1:05:02): It's probably her husband or something. \n[II]: All set? \n(UM1): (U/I) \n[II]: Alright, well, we are gonna get out of here. Thank you-\n[II]: You're welcome. \n[II]: -again for talking to us, we really appreciate it. \n[II]: You're welcome. \n[II]: Um, if you'll give \na call, uh, and see if she's- if she \nwould be willing to speak to us, that would also be incredibly-\n(II): Okay. \n(II): - helpful. Um, and that's it. If you remember anything, uh, that \nwe haven't covered, or if you remember anything better, or \nanything like that, feel free to contact, uh- get with me, \nspecifically-\n[] : Okay. \n[II]: - um, and then we'll just go from there. \n[II]: Okay. And so wait and talk to you ear-to-ear, don't leave it on \nyour voicemail, right? \n[II]: Um, yeah, I would-\n[II]: Okay, yeah (U/I)-\nIII]: - yeah, I would wait. Just- just let me know that you need to \ntalk to me. \n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: Um, I don't always answer the work phone, uh, so you can either \nleave me a text message or just leave me a voicemail-\n[II]: Okay. \n[II]: - and just let me know that you need to talk to me. \nEFTA00090095\n", "char_count": 1335}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 60, "text_content": "60 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n[II]: Perfect. That'd be great. \n[II]: Okay? Alright, well, we're going to get out of here. \n[II]: [U/I] \n[II]: Yeah, no, absolutely. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: Thank you so much. \n[UM1): Thank you very much for your time. \n[II]: (U/I1 \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: [U/I] \n[II]: It seems like an awful lot, but-\n[II]: It's really, like, with what I've- I almost can't watch it, the-\nand I'm not a big news person, but s- I have- other people will \ncome in and just, like, talk about re- recent news or something, \nand it's like unbelievable what they've discovered. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: The money and everything. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[II]: It's really disturbing. \n[II]: Yeah. \n[UM1]: Yeah but what you might hear might jog your memory and-\n(II): Yeah. \n[UM1): [U/I] should have-\n[II]: That's right. \n[II]: Thank you so much. \n[II]: Thank you. Have a good weekend. \n[UM1]: You too. \n[II]: You too. \n[II]: Smells like somebody's bakin' bread. Is it pizza? \n(UM1): (U/I) that right. (U/I) \nEFTA00090096\n", "char_count": 1071}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 61, "text_content": "1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \n61 \n[III: What's the- no, I don't think so. I think this place next door is \na pizza place. \n[END OF RECORDING] \nEFTA00090097\n", "char_count": 217}, {"efta_number": "EFTA00090036", "page_number": 62, "text_content": "62 \n1 \n2 \n3 \n4 \n5 \n6 \n7 \n8 \n9 \n10 \n11 \n12 \n13 \n14 \n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 \n19 \n20 \n21 \n22 \n23 \n24 \n25 \nEFTA00090098\n", "char_count": 108}]}