98 1 elaborate on that in a moment, but yeah, one of -- so 2 this was another point. I mentioned that there had been 3 three efforts to get information from Mr. Dershowitz by 4 way of a 2009 deposition request, a 2011 deposition 5 request, and further follow-up correspondence from 6 counsel on that, and a 2013 document request al] 7 propounded to Mr. Dershowitz that had not gone answered. 8 And this was -- yeah, I'm sorry this slipped 9 my mind at the time -- but when we saw Mr. Dershowitz 10 not responding to these answers, you know, maybe the 11 mail didn't get delivered to him or something like that. 12 I suppose that's, you know, a theoretical possibility. 13 But the reason I ruled out that possibility, 14 first, it didn't seem likely; but secondly, there was a 15 pattern of Mr. Epstein's associates evading efforts to 16 get information from them. And so let me just go back 17 to the earliest instance of that. 18 According to the Chief of Police in the Palm 19 Beach -- of the Palm Beach Police Department, 20 Mr. Dershowitz had said that he would make available 21 Mr. Epstein for questions about the sex, you know, abuse 22 that was going on. And, you know, Mr. Dershowitz had 23 said to the Palm Beach Police Department, yeah, we will 24 make him available, no, we got to reschedule it, you 25 know, another time reschedule, another time. And so ROUGH DRAFT ONLY HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_021921