73 1 And so I was stymied in trying to get 2 information from Mr. Epstein at that point. I think 3 there were two depositions, if I recall correctly off 4 the top of my head, that I had an opportunity to review 5 in which he took the 5th when asked questions about 6 Dershowitz. 7 So at that point in trying to figure out, you 8 know, whether Mr. Dershowitz was involved in sexually 9 abusing not only Virginia Roberts, but in other girls, 10 then you go down to the next level, next layer of the 11 criminal conspiracy. Epstein is at the top, so you go 12 to the next layer. These are, you know, basically the 13 women who, from what I could gather, were older than the 14 age that Epstein wanted to sexually abuse. I think 15 these were 22, 23-year-old girls, so they had, you know, 16 essentially aged out of being his sexual abuse victims, 17 but they continued to -- what they would do is collect 18 girls for him under the age of 18, that I guess was in 19 his target range. 20 And so what -- so the next person I wanted to 21 talk to, you know, and get information from was Sarah 22 Kellen. Sarah Kellen is on a lot of these flight logs 23 with, you know, these girls that -- or women and with 24 Epstein and others, and so I wanted to talk to Sarah 25 Kellen. ROUGH DRAFT ONLY HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_021896