48 1 we tried to articulate it over seven years is that this 2 action is an action that is ancillary to a contemplated 3 criminal prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein, four women who 4 were assisting him in international sex trafficking and 5 the other co-conspirators that would be involved. 6 Judge Marra, I think it's fair to say, there 7 are a whole series of ruling over seven years so I 8 wouldn't want to try to encapsulate them in just a short 9 statement here and I'll just take another minute or so I 10 think we will have this finished. 11 But I think he's essentially ruled that 12 procedural purposes, he's going to treat this case as a 13 Civil case and has not yet had to decide whether or not 14 the case is actually a civil action or a criminal 15 action. And that has had some consequences along the 16 way, but we have been, I think generally, proceeding 17 something under the civil rules, you know, for example, 18 on interrogatory -- or with regard to different 19 procedural issues. 20 So to that extent, the procedural rules 21 covering civil actions have been what have been in play. 22 Q. All right. I'm going to go back to this 23 allegation about other minors. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Putting aside your communications that you ROUGH DRAFT ONLY HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_021871