31 1 MR. SCAROLA: Professor Cassell, you don't 2 need to do that. 3 BY MR. SIMPSON: 4 Q. If I understand you correctly, you said in 5 that answer question -- strike that. 6 If I understood you correctly, you said in 7 that answer that there was a universe of 24 girls I 8 believe you said or approximately, that Professor 9 Dershowitz may or may not have abused; is that your 10 position? 11 A. That's correct. It's been impossible to 12 narrow down exactly what happened because of lack of 13 cooperation from, for example, Jeffrey Epstein. 14 Q. If as of December 30th, 2014, based on your 15 information, Professor Dershowitz may or may not have 16 abused other minors, why did you allege that he did? 17 A. Your question, as I understood it, was did I 18 know the name of the particular girl that he may or may 19 not have alleged -- I'm sorry -- did I know the name of 20 the particular girl that he may have abused. And I 21 couldn't get the exact name, but what I had was 22 Mr. Dershowitz receiving massages in a time when, 23 according to the police report, massage was a code word 24 for sexual abuse of underage girls. 25 Q. And so was it your understanding as of ROUGH DRAFT ONLY HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_021854