4 1 became a professor at the University of Utah; is that 2 correct? 3 A. Yeah I was professor -- excuse me -- before I 4 was a professor in the evening hours while I was a judge 5 from 2002 to 2007. And then I resumed full time 6 teaching at the University of Utah in around November of 7 2007 when I left the bench. 8 Q. Okay. And since you've left the bench, have 9 you also been affiliated with a law firm? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Could you tell me what that affiliation is 12 what -- 13 A. Sure. I'm a special counsel with Hatch James 14 and Dodge. It's a law firm, small boutique litigation 15 law firm in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I occasionally do 16 cases with them. 17 Q. Is it fair to say that since 2007, since 18 resigning as a judge, you've been engaged at least on a 19 part-time basis in the practice of law? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. And, in particular, in one of the cases 22 that's at issue here, what has been referred to as the 23 underlying CVRA case; you're familiar with that case? 24 A. Yeah. Let me be clear just the juxtaposition 25 of the causes, the CVRA case is not through Hatch James ROUGH DRAFT ONLY HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_021827