Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page 15 of 23 what was happening in the house. It would start off with massaging or we would start off with foreplay, sometimes it would lead to, you know, orgies. JS: Were there occasions when you were in Jeffrey’s company, whether on the ground or in the air, where there were other girls present whom you knew to be under age 18? V: Yes. There was a constant influx of girls coming in and going out. And we were all very young. On occasion, there was some older girls, and J don’t mean older as in like in their 30s or anything, I mean like 28, 29, something like that, just very rarely. The majority of the girls that Jeffrey actually met or had on his plane or in his house were under age. JS: Do you know how it is that Jeffrey established with any of these underage girls? V: Yes, Ido. He would send me personally or with other girls to clubs or shops, to _pick up anywhere, J mean we were constantly on the look for other girls that might satisfy Jeffrey. JS: | What instructions were you given about what to look for? V: Young, pretty, you know, a fun personality. They couldn’t be black. If they were any other descent other than white, they had to be exotically beautiful. That was just about it. JS: | Who gave you those criteria? V: They both gave us the instructions, and it wasn’t just me, Jeffrey asked most girls to bring a friend and make extra money. They would use us young girls So that way it probably looked a lot more safer to a girl that we were procuring to younger girls that were already doing it. That was the way that Jeffrey had it. JS: Were you given any instruction at all on how to approach these girls? V: Yes. Jeffrey and Ghislaine both taught me to, depending on the circumstances, depending on the girl, you could offer them a job as a massage therapist or you could tell them you have a really rich friend with, you know, great contacts in the acting world or modeling world and he love