141 H3vlgiu2 ih Ms. Giuffre has said there was a conspiracy involving all of 2 these individuals. They're all going to say no, there wasn't. 3 We'll have a trial on that and hear the evidence. But the 4 compatibility of interests is, that team is against 5 Ms. Giuffre. Those co-conspirators are all working together to 6 try to undercut the credibility of Ms. Giuffre. And of course 7 they're all hoping that she will lose this trial, which they 8 will then celebrate as a victory. Of course if Ms. Giuffre 9 wins the trial, they will all suffer a defeat because her 10 credibility in making these allegations will have been Pi. established. 12 The final factor LiButti directs you to consider is 13 the role in the underlying aspects of the litigation, and 14 again, it's hard to imagine. I won't say they are the most 15 important members of the conspiracy. Epstein is the most 16 important member of the conspiracy, but the next most if, important, after Maxwell, who's the number two position, the 18 next most important conspirator is Kellen and Marcinkova. I've 19 used the expression before, it's kind of playing Hamlet without 20 the ghost. We're going to be talking about a conspiracy 21 without the conspirators in the case. We are trying to bring 22 the conspirators here in front of the jury so that they can 23 hear what the conspirators have to say when asked questions 24 about what they were doing to Ms. Giuffre and what they were 25 doing to similarly situated young girls. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011444