al H3vlgiu2 ih paper came from Epstein's trash in the first instance. There 2 is no person that will say, we kept these documents and we have 3 the originals and you can come look at them and you can test 4 them and feel them. There is no person that will say any of 5 that because it went to the grand jury and presumably, under 6 Rule 60, it's never coming out of the grand jury again. 7 So the other point about these message pads is, I 8 don't to this day know whether that's just hand-picked portions 9 of whatever plaintiff's counsel got years ago or it's the 10 entirety of what, you know, Palm Beach did or didn't do, but 1a when I asked Detective Recarey those questions in his 12 deposition, he said, I can't tell you if that's everything. I 13 just got handed this stuff by plaintiff's counsel, you know, in 14 the course of this deposition, and that's all I can tell you 15 about it. So that's another piece of this that's problematic 16 for the plaintiffs. de There's another issue that relates to a transcript of 18 a witness, Ms. Hall, and the plaintiffs, I think, want to try 19 to introduce that transcript or, alternately, what they say is 20 an audio recording of an interview with her, and I'm not sure 21 which they are trying to introduce, but there are problems 22 either way. The transcript, what I will call the Hall 23 transcript, was in fact not prepared by the Palm Beach Police 24 Department. According to Detective Recarey, he had never seen 25 it before, during his deposition, and he surmised that it had SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011414