38 H3VOGIU1 ih rights of similarly situated victims" -- 2 THE COURT: I'm familiar with it. 3 MR. CASSELL: Okay. Right. So that's Judge Marra's 4 ruling. 5 And you understand that was obviously on a technical 6 jJoinder issue. The joinder issue, whether that was a 7 good joinder motion or a bad motion, has nothing to do with 8 whether or not Ms. Giuffre was defamed. 9 THE COURT: How do you propose to handle the joinder 10 motion evidentially? 1a MR. CASSELL: Right. We think the joinder motion 12 should simply come into evidence as the pleading to which 13 Ms. Giuffre -- I'm sorry -- Ms. Maxwell was responding. 14 THE COURT: lock, stock, and barrel? 15 MR. CASSELL: So we are obviously waiting for guidance 16 from your Honor. For example, if you say, look, Dershowitz, de let's just not get into that, that's -- 18 THE COURT: That didn't answer my question. Please. 19 MR. CASSELL: I apologize. 20 THE COURT: You talk about many trials, many 21 arguments. You want to put in the entire motion? 22 MR. CASSELL: Yes, unless your Honor -- I want to be 23 direct here. 24 Yes. However, if you say, look, Dershowitz isn't 25 coming into this case, there are some allegations about SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011341