2 H3VOGIU1 1 (Case called) 2 THE COURT: Like all of you, you woke up in the middle 3 of the night thinking about this case. I would like to see if 4 I can clarify my understanding. 5 In the motion to dismiss, I concluded, I think, that 6 what was at issue was the truth or falsity of the plaintiff's 7 allegations concerning sexual abuse and the activities of the 8 defendant. I think that's my sense of my own opinion. 9 Yesterday, we were discussing the redactions of the 10 intervention motion. I got the sense, perhaps wrongly, that 1a the plaintiff's position was that the defamation was the truth 12 or falsity of the statements relating to the defendant. 13 Period. Am I correct? 14 MS. McCAWLEY: You are, your Honor, in that the 15 statements about the defendant -- to be clear, because one of 16 the allegations is, of course, she was a madam and a de coconspirator with Epstein -- do involve Epstein. 18 THE COURT: Listen. Leave the pejorative out. Okay? 19 Please. 20 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure. 21 THE COURT: Simply because I'm trying to come to 22 grips, obviously, with the scope of this case, which is a real 23 issue, obviously. So is it you are restricting your claim to 24 the truth and falsity of the statements about Maxwell? 25 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, that is the case, your Honor. The SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_011305