281 283 ; 1 What was his motive against you? 1 A. Yes. 2 A. I was Jeffrey Epstein’s friend and lawyer 2 Q. A man who would never undertake to advance 3 and, in fact -- well, | can't get into this. But I 3 the cause of a client whom he believed to be 4 can say this, | gave advice -- 4 incredible, right? 5 MR. SCOTT: Be careful about anything 5 A. Yes. Andaman who told me and a man 6 involving -- 6 who-- 7 THE WITNESS: Okay. 7 MR. SCOTT: That's it. 8 MR. SCOTT: -- Mr. Epstein, please. 8 A. Okay. And aman who believes I'm 9 A. He could easily have believed that 1 was 9 innocent. 10 one of the causes of his firing. 10 BY MR. SCAROLA: ii BY MR. SCAROLA: 11 Q. You know that Bob Josefsberg would never 12 Q. So, he was -- he may have been angry at 12 file charges on behalf of a client alleging that she 13 you because you assisted in getting him fired? 13 was lent out by Jeffrey Epstein for purposes of 14 A. It's -- 14 sexual abuse while she was a minor to academicians 15 MR. SCOTT: Objection, 15 unless he absolutely had confidence that those 16 mischaracterization. 16 statements were true -- 17 A. It's conjecture. It's possible. But in 17 MR. SCOTT: Let me object — 18 any event, even -- 18 BY MR. SCAROLA: 19 BY MR. SCAROLA: 19 Q. —right? 20 Q. It's conjecture, is that what you were 20 MR. SCOTT: -- that this is completely 21 about to say? 21 irrelevant to the issues in this case. 22 A. I'm saying I have -- I don't know what he 22 Whatever Mr. Josefsberg thinks has nothing to 23 was thinking, but there is a basis for him believing 23 do with this lawsuit. This is all your effort 24 that. But most -- most important, even if you take 24 to try to put Josefsberg into this case to try 25 everything he says as true, which it's not, it's 25 to give some justification to your position. 282 284 1 exculpatory because it has no suggestion that | ever 1 A. [ll answer that question. 2 had any sexual encounter with Virginia Roberts. 2 BY MR. SCAROLA: 3 And if I were a lawyer reading tha