From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 3:50 PM To: Joscha Bach Subject: Re: no, i disagree , the spaceship is only a= advanced prostthetic. . . not interesting at all. . in=eresting is we have no idea what the top down for humans is. . =A0collective . group behavior, I dont see any differnce betwe=n humans and cells , just a different layer of the same. =AO. regulatory systems. actions feedbacks and " l=arning " ,. all with no goal . the goals are illusions. = that the indiv thinks they decide. like the soldier ant that is re=apitualted to a garbage ant if the garbage ants are wiped out. =A0the soldier ant thinks it made the decsion. . On Mon, Mar 6, 2017=at 11:25 AM, Joscha Bach wrote:=br> Exac=ly! Sensors like that are often one of these solution that get you 80% of =he way with 20% of the effort. Except that minds that take 15 years to tra=n are o dramatically more expensive that almost no species can afford them=(but they end up getting you to the moon, which no prosthesis can). Am Mar 6, 2017 urn 7:08=AM schrieb jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]»: they may have physi=al prothesitcs like cat whiskers. to enable it to guage=C2 widith of hole. On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Joscha Bach la wrote: Most animals don't have a self model, probably because they don8d1=93 have complex enough brains or long enough training phases (childhoods)=to do meta-regulation. > On Mar 5, 2017, at 16:48, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:jeevacation=gmail.com> > wrote: > Law of large numbers is all that is needed > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM Joscha Bach wrote: > I am not sure how to relate that to game theory; you may be able to ge= that without evolutionary competition. However, game theory is probably t=e way to explain how we evolve submission to norms beyond indirect recipro=ity. EFTA_R1_01904099 EFTA02657766