From: "jeffrey E." <[email protected]> To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: Re: Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 02:57:29 +0000 This all needs exposition. sorry. the computer model for living systems has not led to many conherent theories. it does gets misued all the time however, . the simplest of questions , why does a cell have a symmetrical shape. extremely complex computations were attempted . did the lipids attract. ? if so with what force. ? did the area need to enclose the greatest volume. . we now know that it is nothing more than the most probable shape , given the statistical ensemble available to it. nothing more. . quantum would attempt to explain it by suggesting the moleucules took every shape they could and decided on the spherical one.. I smile everytime I think of your perception that there was a magazine called nuzanmirrer. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Noam Chomsky < wrote: It's absolutely true that for study of choice of action, the computer model is not helpful at all. That's something I've been arguing for many decades, in opposition to most physicists these days, who claim that choice of action reduces to determinacy and randomness (i.e., programmable). I think it may have come up in the Krauss discussion. I also discussed it again in my Dewey lectures in the J. of Philosophy in December 2013. I don't frankly see how the Schrodinger analogy helps in this case. To clarify, the people I mentioned weren't students working on computers. Rather, professional mathematicians and physicists. The two who have been attending seminars for many years, and have published in areas very closely related to my work, are a mathematician and quantum physicist at Northeastern. Noam From: Jeffrey E. [mailto:[email protected] Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 9:57 PM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: brain as a computer? as silly as artificial intelligence., The simple example I teach re quantum is when i try to decide should i order fish or meat. for t