From: "jeffrey E." <jeevacation®gmail.com> To: Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 00:22:52 +0000 1, re flips. ordering is not my focus. my focus is that the program that says. as you approach a larger number the total number of ones and zeros ( the fair coin flip ) , should be 50/50/ it is the opposite of information as that relates to the individual flips. , I maintain that the distribution of flips may be described by skewing . A force that leads to 50/ 50 2. again re heat. we cant say anything about indiv particles. but we can measure their overall temp and pressure 3. social distributions of talents and characteristics, seem to follow the same distribution for years. 4 deception, relies on the concept of INTENTION. not well desribed. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Seth Lloyd a wrote: Dear Jeffrey, It was very fun talking with you the weekend before last. I have downloaded The Improvement of the Mind and am reading. I feel my mind improving already ;-) The conversation and your ideas fit in closely with work I've been doing and am proposing to do. Maybe this is not surprising because we've been talking about these topics for years. I've been traveling around (Santa Fe, now in San Francisco, soon to be in Banff) and so have had time to think more about what we discussed. Here is a succinct summary of my own take. I know yours is somewhat different. Information is a fundamental quantity, measured in bits. Information can be random, like the typical string of bits one gets by flipping a coin 0101110110101000011 (I just flipped a coin and let heads = 1 and tails = 0), or it can be ordered, like the bit string 0000000000000000. There is a technical definition of order and randomness: a bit string is ordered if there is a succinctly describable method, e.g., a short computer program, for producing it. By contrast, a string is random if the shortest program for producing it is the same length as the string itself. For example, the s