From: "Nowak, Martin' To: jeffrey E. <[email protected]>, Lawrence Krauss < Subject: internal / external Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:17:29 +0000 i built a system with two types of payoff matrices - internal (perceived) and external ("real") individuals are on a social network they are doing "best response dynamics" using their internal matrix occasionally they update their internal matrix by comparing others using their accumulated external payoff i think this is the first time that best response dynamics can lead to cooperation based on spatial selection On May 15, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Lawrence Krauss wrote: just to provoke some input from Martin.. and it may make a face to face meeting worthwhile... my question is, if one accepts that there are two (inside vs outside), conflicting forces at work.. the game theory issue then becomes how to couple these and derive optimal solutions.. LMK On May 14, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Lawrence Krauss wrote: hmmm.. have to think about this.. it is long accepted that the god myth satisfies some long standing internal need humans have for either defense against death or need for purpose.. no doubt actions governed by satisfying that pleasure center... the key question is where inside and outside intersect and cannot both be satisfied together.. that is where game theory is relevant I think.. how to compromise on satisfying hopes, and satisfying reality when trying to outsmart a charging lion.. LMK On May 13, 2015, at 3:47 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: inner domain, goals are self created. mastabatory fantasies. for example. rewards in sub domains, social physical emotional. , some hard wired food, temp. etc. a continum of hard to self imagined. . adapted for the outer domain, l environment, . outer domain subject to laws of physics . inner domain , biologically yes, but ghosts, beliefs self deception and delusion, and most importantly hope, all actualized. It makes little sense to apply an evi