From: Ben Goertzel To: "jeffrey E." <[email protected]> Subject: Re: MUSIC and MIND ... Fwd: quick question -- AGI-16 snacks and reception sponsorship? Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:56:54 +0000 I agree that rhythm is important but the actual sequence (and concurrent arrangement) of notes is important too... those papers certainly don't tell the whole story but I think they tell part of the story... I experimented a lot in the 90s with: taking series of notes evolved by a GA (well the GA evolved the coefficients of a fractal-generating iterated function system), and then playing the same evolved note-series with different timings. I.e., I made up various timing rules, and I also played the notes with timings that I made up myself. Definitely it's true that the timing is critical, and the same series of notes with different timing will sound totally different and have a different feeling... However, nevertheless, the mathematical structures noted in those papers are important... How timing interacts with these mathematical structures is one of many open questions, right? Put crudely, I think the algebra (as hinted in those papers) of a series of notes identifies **what patterns are there** to be easily recognized in the series of notes. But there are always gonna be too many patterns there. The timing puts boundaries around some patterns and not others, thus narrowing down the scope of possible patterns in the note-series, and identifying some rather than others.... And the timing also is what resonates with the dynamics of human emotions and human body-rhythms ... so the subtlety of timing in music is partly that it has to serve multiple functions -- emphasizing certain ones, among the many patterns implicit mathematically in a series of notes -- resonating with human emotion and body rhythms ... ben On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:40 AM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: > third paper same problem, bach was to have said playing