November 29, 2021 Meeting with Dr. Rocchio • Loftus studies are laboratory based; lot of her research has been done with credible person telling someone that something happened to them; Loftus studies say can get people to endorse false details and experiences that haven't occurred • Wouldn't just see something on tv and believe it happened to the person; in most studies, involve someone who subject knows or has reason to trust; no evidence to suggest that lab setting translates into real world memory for traumatic events; fact that someone can't remember certain details or details fade with time is not indication of how true memory is • People lose peripheral details over time, that happens with normal human memory • Lab research has shown that when someone tells a false story, remains less changed over time because it can be rehearsed • Understood notice with Dietz opinion as saying that someone who has PTSD highly unlikely to keep item given by perpetrator • Often people still feel fondness for perpetrator; part of dynamic ofcoercivecontrolis abuse interspersed with positive interactions that build trust; often victim confused about nature of relationship and keeps sense of false hope; gift giving can be part of what victim associates with positive aspect of relationships; in clinical practice, LR has treated people who hold on to things of monetary value, feel that were abused, why not keep thing; has treated people who say reminds them that relationship not all bad all time; some people have said don't think about particular thing given, but triggered by something else; for some people, item is a reminder and don't want it; gift giving can have coercive effect, can increase dependency, increase perpetrator's control • Prepared for trial testimony 3502-043 Page 1 of I SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00001866 EFTA00157056